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Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by hahainternet on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @02:35PM (#6174690)
The motive for profit drives the motive to keep secrets.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by mikevm on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @04:09PM (#6175273)
It also drives innovation.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by fhd2 on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @04:33PM (#6175424)
Quite the contrary in my experience, capitalism typically restrains innovation. Patent trolls are just one of many examples.

Not saying I've got a better idea than capitalism, but I wouldn't consider it ideal.

Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by TelmoMenezes on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @07:59PM (#6176493)
Patents are only possible through government regulation. Without the government's interference, there would be no such concept. Pure capitalism has no patents.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by 15charusername on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:06AM (#6177930)
Even with Patent trolls and week patents, patents still allow companies to license innovative technology rather than hide it away for fear of copying (ala qualcomm)

Patents are a good idea, it's the current implementation that sucks

Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by simonh on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @05:04PM (#6175625)
It's the worst system we know of, except for all the others.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by antihero on Thursday August 08, 2013 @03:38AM (#6177740)
It may be a factor on slow improvement, but true innovation comes from the passionate minds of geniuses.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by Aldo_MX on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @03:05PM (#6174905)
When the competition starts using your own improvements/innovations against your products, you are obliged to keep the secret.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by hahainternet on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @03:15PM (#6174970)
This is only the case when you have something to fear from superior competition. That is the capitalist system. Even in the FOSS world, which is largely affected by capitalism the spirit of sharing and collective advancement is incredibly common.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by Aldo_MX on Thursday August 15, 2013 @07:29PM (#6221263)
Let me rephrase my statement, because I didn't make my main idea clear enough:

"When the competition starts using your own improvements/innovations against your products, and they are not moving a single finger to push innovation, you are obliged to keep the secret."

I don't mind if the competition improves my work, this is more than enough incentive to push innovation forward, but when the competition stalls and makes a verbatim implementation of my work, or worse enough, depends solely on my improvements to stay relevant, I honestly prefer to keep the secret to myself. I don't want parasite competitors, I want talented competitors.

Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by jolohaga on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:15PM (#6176051)
"This is only the case when you have something to fear from superior competition"

What you describe also occurred/occurs in Cuba, and that's not a capitalistic regime.

Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by hahainternet on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:52PM (#6176216)
I'm unsure of your point. Of course it's not capitalist to share, but that doesn't mean it's not right.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by pessimizer on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @03:12PM (#6174950)
because capitalism.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by zobzu on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @05:53PM (#6175908)
isn't that the spirit of open source? Yep IS IT.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by vutekst on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @03:10PM (#6174936)
There are many motives for keeping secrets. Look at the NSA, or pretty much any government.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by hahainternet on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @03:13PM (#6174957)
Well certainly, but in this case the motivation is anticompetitive.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by alexeisadeski3 on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @03:41PM (#6175107)
Or procompetitive, depending on one's outlook.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by hahainternet on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @05:10PM (#6175655)
I fail to see how keeping secrets can be procompetitive. The existence of a larger barrier to entry surely prevents competition.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by bestham on Thursday August 08, 2013 @04:51AM (#6177881)
Well, in this particular case I agree. Its unlikley that you will make your own ARM SOC or blobs because the Snapdragon blobs are unavalible to you. But one can see the secrets as an anti-feature and choose an alternative supplier that is less secret. While Google / Asus didnt the end users might.
Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by hahainternet on Thursday August 08, 2013 @01:07PM (#6180250)
Ah I see you're saying that keeping secrets may motivate clients to pick someone other than you, and potentially increase competitiveness if the market presence of 'secret keepers' is minimal.

I think it's pretty tricky to consider that a real 'effect', as if the alternative companies kept secrets then it would be just as bad.

Re:Android AOSP maintainer quits by alexeisadeski3 on Friday August 09, 2013 @02:23PM (#6187374)
It rewards success and thus incentivizes more competition.