Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by enraged_camel on Saturday July 20, 2013 @06:24PM
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Because Google fanboys flag anything anti-Google. It has been happening often recently: stories that paint Google in a negative light fall off the front page despite continuing to receive a ton of upvotes and comments.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by lloeki on Saturday July 20, 2013 @03:40AM
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Title is wrong/linkbait. Not 'your inbox'. Actual title is: "New Gmail Inbox Features Ads That Look Like Emails, Above Promotional Email Subscriptions" (emphasis mine).
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by hrktb on Saturday July 20, 2013 @07:57AM
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The previous discussion had this distinction all over the place as well, but...I've looked at what's in my promotions tab, and a few mailing lists and some of the shop member mail I subscrided went there by default. 'Promotions' is set as a split part of my inbox, not some feature coming out of nowhere with whole new and google only content. Having junk ads in there is the same as having junk ads in my inbox.
PS: yes I can just get rid of the new tabs and go back to the old layout, and tha's what I did. I just hink the difference made between the main tab and promotions tab doesn't seem meaningful in this discussion.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by Shooti on Saturday July 20, 2013 @09:46AM
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Technically all they did in the tabbed layout was swap the old ads which hovered over the Inbox message list with embedded ads in the Promotion tab.
So the choice is between "Ads in Inbox list + Ads in message view" VS "Ads in Promotions tab + Ads in message view". There's no real difference between tabbed inbox style and the classic inbox styles except presentation if you think about it.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by comex on Saturday July 20, 2013 @04:05PM
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Except that presentation is important. An ad that looks like an email is, in a sense, deceptive, masquerading as something you've valued enough to put in your inbox (well, at least enough not to bother opting out from...).
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by cstross on Saturday July 20, 2013 @06:13AM
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In my case they're useless because I read email via IMAP -- I only ever visit the web interface if I don't have access to my laptop or want to flag something as spam.
More to the point, I do not want some algorithm "helpfully" sorting my incoming email into different views according to some opaque criteria that I don't get to define or tweak: I want to see everything in my default inbox, no exceptions.
Permitting someone else to sort my mail via rules I have not defined is how important business email gets missed or overlooked.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by Legion on Saturday July 20, 2013 @10:12AM
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> according to some opaque criteria that I don't get to define or tweak
Exactly this. When I saw the tabbed inbox, my first thought was, "oh, this will be cool", followed shortly by, "wait, I don't get to control or customize this at all?"
Really, why can't I define my own tabs for specific searches/labels? The black box tabs they provide now should just have been defaults within a customizable feature.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by arkem on Saturday July 20, 2013 @02:30PM
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You can customize it but the UI isn't particularly obvious. You can drag emails between tabs to teach gmail which is the most appropriate tab, you can also designate inboxes as a filter action.
Personally I think it's a great feature but one I won't be using because I already have a labyrinth of filter rules that perform the same function.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by b1daly on Saturday July 20, 2013 @05:02PM
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I've been surprised at how well the new tab system has been working. How could you make a filter that would sort on the broad criteria of "promotions" and "social"?
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by agilebyte on Saturday July 20, 2013 @06:44AM
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I deal with email as it arrives striving for inbox zero. Having to click on multiple tabs slows me down. There is no different priority to my incoming emails. If it is unimportant I unsubscribe or mark as spam.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by tjbiddle on Saturday July 20, 2013 @05:50PM
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Not OP, but in my experience I always shoot for inbox zero - So I only need my inbox, archive, and starred folder really. I sift through my emails and archive everything that doesn't need my attention, and star anything that does - After I have nothing left in my inbox I give any emails in my starred folder attention.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by medde on Saturday July 20, 2013 @11:41AM
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I thought that the NSA was grabbing all data going through the cables at large ISPs so that they don't need to send requests at individual companies? For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by nmjenkins on Saturday July 20, 2013 @08:20AM
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I work for FastMail. We (Opera Software Australia) are an Australian company, subject to Australian privacy laws regardless of the location of our servers. We legally must only respond to Australian law enforcement agencies with valid Australian warrants (summary of the law is available here: https://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Privacy/tia.html).
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by PurplePanda on Saturday July 20, 2013 @03:37AM
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The article was about intrusive advertisements not who is or isn't monitoring which email providers. Switching to fast mail solves the problem the article was complaining about!
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by scmccarthy on Saturday July 20, 2013 @03:47AM
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dotcoma's comment however, claimed "no NSA etc". While it's not pertinent to this article, I think pointing out spurious claims (which people might be believing and acting on) has value regardless.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by Karunamon on Saturday July 20, 2013 @10:04AM
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Almost certainly NSA'd, their SLA is along the same line as Google's (i.e. your compensation for critical email going down is an absolute pittance), not sure why I should be handling the backups.
Nice support, though. One thing that Rackspace is really, really good at.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by amyunus on Saturday July 20, 2013 @02:38AM
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I read information there, instead of complaint. It's just like we live in the city and there are many ads on the road. Ads in Google Mail, so far, are not so annoying as other free email provider did.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by samsquire on Saturday July 20, 2013 @06:07AM
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Funny that the industry fights spam until it comes full circle and starts introducing its own version of spam but it's not called spam, it's advertising.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by tluyben2 on Saturday July 20, 2013 @06:07AM
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Serious question (couldn't find it and mailing Google is not very effective usually): can I keep my current email address and convert it to paid Google apps? It would be absolutely useless if not :)
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by tokenizerrr on Saturday July 20, 2013 @09:24AM
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I don't think so, at least not directly. Paid google apps requires you to use your own domain name as far as I know. Even so, you can set your old account to forward to your new, and add your old account as a sender on your new and make it the default. That way all email you send/receive on the new account will go to/come from the old account.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by sigkill on Saturday July 20, 2013 @07:59AM
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I'm reasonably certain that this is far more sinister than a simple advertisement tactic. No, dear people, this has all the similarity to Google's 411 service. I have this feeling that Google has implemented some new nifty ML-algorithms and we are giving them the training data. "We" are those people who aren't techy and think 'Sweet, I can classify my email nicely now'.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by aroman on Saturday July 20, 2013 @10:44AM
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Sometimes I would really like to switch from Gmail, but I look around at the alternatives and think "do I trust this to be as reliable as Gmail? as stable? as dependable?"
The answer is always no. I hope I'm believing an illusion, but regardless, I still feel like Google's infrastructure is the only one I'd trust with my emails.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by medde on Saturday July 20, 2013 @11:31AM
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Finding something as stable or dependable as gmail isn't the problem (try live.com), but some of it's features is a different story (although not an email feature, live.com's calendar doesn't even have a search feature as far as I know).
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by packetslave on Saturday July 20, 2013 @02:48PM
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You'll be okay
Until you realize half your outbound mail isn't getting delivered because the person who had your VPC's IP before you was a spammer, or because you didn't correctly navigate the labyrinth of DKIM, SPF, feedback loops, and arbitrary recipient mail server policies.
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by seiji on Saturday July 20, 2013 @03:35PM
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Very good points. I use a third party TLS SMTP server for most outgoing stuff.
Realistically, DKIM, SPF, and other overbearing qualifications should only triggered if you're doing mass mailings. Ideally, you shouldn't get denied delivery if you're using an unqualified personal server (that, as you mentioned, hasn't previously been 100% blocked due to bad behavior by anybody in the past ever).
Re:Gmail now features ads that look like emails
by anuaitt on Saturday July 20, 2013 @07:18AM
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I don't understand why people are making a fuss about it.
It shows only when you have chosen your inbox to show different categories.
Secondly it shows only in promotional email subscriptions. Not disturbing "Primary tab".
PS: yes I can just get rid of the new tabs and go back to the old layout, and tha's what I did. I just hink the difference made between the main tab and promotions tab doesn't seem meaningful in this discussion.
So the choice is between "Ads in Inbox list + Ads in message view" VS "Ads in Promotions tab + Ads in message view". There's no real difference between tabbed inbox style and the classic inbox styles except presentation if you think about it.
More to the point, I do not want some algorithm "helpfully" sorting my incoming email into different views according to some opaque criteria that I don't get to define or tweak: I want to see everything in my default inbox, no exceptions.
Permitting someone else to sort my mail via rules I have not defined is how important business email gets missed or overlooked.
Exactly this. When I saw the tabbed inbox, my first thought was, "oh, this will be cool", followed shortly by, "wait, I don't get to control or customize this at all?"
Really, why can't I define my own tabs for specific searches/labels? The black box tabs they provide now should just have been defaults within a customizable feature.
Personally I think it's a great feature but one I won't be using because I already have a labyrinth of filter rules that perform the same function.
Stop complaining. Change provider.
Fastmail has servers in the United States (https://www.fastmail.fm/help/overview_about.html), which means the NSA can still request access to those servers.
http://www.rackspace.com/email-hosting/
Nice support, though. One thing that Rackspace is really, really good at.
It uses Open-Xchange as the web UI.
cf. Facebook, Gmail, LinkedIn, Twitter
* Getting in your 2008 Toyota... Tada! An ad presenting the 2013 model.
* Walking by a Nike store... Tada! An ad featuring new sneakers.
* About to make love and for some reason left your Glass on... Tada! A safe sex promotion ad.
Would be amused to see the criteria/logic used to isolate that scenario! Perhaps if Glass was monitoring current room, spoken words, heartbeat...
[1]: http://btsync.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/BitTorrentS...
The answer is always no. I hope I'm believing an illusion, but regardless, I still feel like Google's infrastructure is the only one I'd trust with my emails.
Reliability > privacy for me (for now)
Until you realize half your outbound mail isn't getting delivered because the person who had your VPC's IP before you was a spammer, or because you didn't correctly navigate the labyrinth of DKIM, SPF, feedback loops, and arbitrary recipient mail server policies.
Realistically, DKIM, SPF, and other overbearing qualifications should only triggered if you're doing mass mailings. Ideally, you shouldn't get denied delivery if you're using an unqualified personal server (that, as you mentioned, hasn't previously been 100% blocked due to bad behavior by anybody in the past ever).
Anyone seeing this all the time?