Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by kamjam on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:03PM
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This was a really interesting read. To think that all this research spawned off a visit to the bike shop to replace his daughters bike helmet!
The Air Attack perfectly illustrates what drives most helmet innovation: performance
For most everyday commuters, some safety is required at a reasonable price. So a $40 helmet will suffice. For more serious and avid cyclists, they will more likely splash out for the more expensive honeycomb MIPS design.
It took a while for the article to get there, but I was thinking all the time I was reading this about the lightweight honeycomb bike helmets that the British Cycling Team adopted for their Olympics:
Extensive testing found that aluminium honeycomb, often used within the aerospace industry, worked well as a material for the helmet core. When combined with the unique dual shell, it was said to outperform previous designs in terms of absorbing impact energy efficiently and ensuring deceleration forces weren't transferred to the wearer.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by revelation on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:26PM
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They haven't changed because they are an obvious dead end. Professional sports aside, it makes no sense to force an everyday commuter to wear such a thing for a very dubious return in safety while we put up with automobile transport and retarded city designers.
Bicycle helmets are the equivalent of telling homeowners they should build a nuclear bunker for their home because we have no interest in ensuring safety standards for nuclear reactors fearing that could cause prices to go up.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by doktrin on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:40PM
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> it makes no sense to force an everyday commuter to wear such a thing for a very dubious return in safety while we put up with automobile transport and retarded city designers.
Bicycle helmets are the equivalent of telling homeowners they should build a nuclear bunker for their home because we have no interest in ensuring safety standards for nuclear reactors fearing that could cause prices to go up.
This reads like a rant for rants sake. The article wasn't about helmet laws but rather helmet technology and safety standards.
To the "dubious return" point you made - why should bike commuters not optimize for their situation? It scarcely matters whether or not their city could have been better designed. Assuming they don't intend to move to the Netherlands, it makes eminent sense to maximize their safety while on the road.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by adolph on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:52PM
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Did you read the article? It is an interesting and seemingly balanced story about balances between innovation and standards, the evolution of a threat model (from death to concussion) and what some of the most recent innovation is. It even covers some of the contemporary anti-helmet arguments.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by steelframe on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:48PM
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Cyclists can and do suffer head impacts for any number of reasons, many not having anything to do with motorists or city planning. Personally, I've had several close calls with suicidal squirrels and rabbits on downhill segments. Also, it turns out that railroad tracks is a leading cause of injury according to the UBC BICE study:
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by thrownaway2424 on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:13PM
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Motorists also suffer from head injuries. Head injury is the leading cause of death for motorists who die in crashes. Therefore, motorists should also wear helmets.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by PencilAndPaper on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:25PM
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I like my head.
Being a heavy object attached to your body by a thin, fairly weak neck, your head is very likely to hit the ground if you fall at speed.
Also, I live in a place that has social healthcare so, it makes sense to mandate safety since we all foot the bill.
Bicycle helmets are probably more equivalent to mandating homeowners to use insulated wire in their wiring than mandating everyone have a nuclear bunker which is very expensive and extreme ...unless of course your hair is the biggest deal on earth.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by epo on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:12PM
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You simply didn't read the article did you? Just used the post title (which isn't the article title) as an excuse for going off on your tedious rant about how ineffective bike helmets are.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by johnbm on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:40PM
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The article doesn't provide much citations for "Bicycle helmets do an outstanding job of keeping our skulls intact in a major crash." which is the premise it starts out with and builds its case off.
Obvious questions arise... like why are motorcycle or pro-sports helmets so radically different in design (full head + visor), even for scooters that barely go faster than bicycles, and how many "major crashes" result in head trauma as opposed to other kinds?
And if bicycle helmets are so great, why don't we require car drivers to wear helmets too? Surely then they would also do an 'outstanding job in keeping our skulls intact in a major crash'?
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by nether on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @05:13PM
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I think this one is decent:
> In 1989, The New England Journal of Medicine published a study that looked at hundreds of cyclists treated at Seattle-area hospitals. The research team concluded that helmets “reduce the risk of head injury by 85 percent and of brain injury by 88 percent.”
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by ajross on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:49PM
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Cite for the "bike helmets are ineffective" assertion? It's belied by the statistics in the linked article, among other things like fairly straightforward intuition...
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by jessaustin on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:40PM
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Bravo revelation, keep fighting the good fight. My favorite quote from TFA was: "More helmet laws had come into effect, but head injuries didn't go down at all." This would be confusing if one believed the marketing! Simultaneously, of course, the helmet laws perfectly performed their intended functions: discouraging cycling while forcing people to buy yet another damn commercial product.
All the complainers are either cranky motorists or sidewalk cyclists. They feel slightly more guilty right-hooking a commuter who isn't wearing a helmet than some day-glo Lance wannabe. Witness their guilt turned to fury at the mere mention of actual facts about bicycle helmet effectiveness!
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by PencilAndPaper on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @06:49PM
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perhaps the incidences of head injuries dont go down, but what happens to the severity of those head injuries when helmets are being worn. If you classify a bruise on the forehead and a severe cerebral contusion both as "head injuries", you are unlikely to see much of a difference between wearing a helmet and not in terms of head injuries
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by jessaustin on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @07:15PM
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Well that's an interesting hypothesis, and certainly study authors are well-advised to standardize their measurement procedure. Furthermore, in any specific incident you might very well be subject to a bruise if wearing a helmet and a contusion otherwise. But these studies are not about specific incidents: they reflect the totality of many cyclists spending many hours cycling. There is no reason to suspect that there would be some consistent factor that would exaggerate reporting of helmeted injuries while minimizing reporting of unhelmeted ones.
Besides who would cause a bruise an injury? I get bruises every day. Bicycling is one of the safest things I do.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by PencilAndPaper on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @09:37PM
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I guess I am just curious as to why the study you indicated concluded that helmet laws didnt reduce head injuries. Perhaps people didnt change their helmet wearing behavior because some unenforced law? Not to be a citation jerk, but what is TFA and can you link to the study? I am genuinely curious because it seems so counter-intuitive to me.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by jessaustin on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @01:28PM
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"TFA" is an abbreviation for "the fine article" (Other adjectives are sometimes inferred, much like "RTFM".) You'll find the link at the top of this page, but here it is again: http://www.bicycling.com/senseless/ The quote in this case was attributed to Steven Madey, an orthopedic surgeon who designs bike helmets and other biomechanical devices. As near as I can tell, he was summarizing the studies in this field. (Well, maybe one would say he was summarizing the public health studies rather but not the clinical studies.) Here's another summary: http://www.medpagetoday.com/CriticalCare/HeadTrauma/39122
Not to be any sort of jerk, but until you've spent enough time cycling in traffic to be comfortable, your intuition regarding the safety of that activity is suspect. Several factors are involved. First of all, there is the risk compensation phenomenon (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21418079), which is also seen for seatbelt-wearers etc. and causes users of any "safety" device to behave less safely to compensate for that use. This phenomenon also applies to other road users, so that when they see a cyclist they perceive to be "protected" by a helmet they don't give her as much space, they drive faster, etc. (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001457506...) Other factors are follow-on effects from the fact that requiring helmets reduces cycling rates (http://www.nber.org/papers/w15658): fewer cyclists make for more dangerous roads for everyone (http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaign/safety-in-numbers) and cyclists who cycle less aren't as good at cycling. There is a "rhythm" to riding in traffic, and after I've taken some time off, I have to be more careful until I sharpen up. With regular practice, you know:
- exactly how close the damn delivery truck is going to pass, just by the engine
sound
- which car is going to change lanes without signalling, not from its brakelights
but from its slight pause in acceleration
- how fast you have to pedal to intimidate an entering SUV into waiting for you
to pass instead of turning left completely across all lanes
- the distinct whine of a BMW (the official car of assholes) that's going
to attempt a right hook from 50 feet behind
- etc.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by PencilAndPaper on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @04:34PM
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Interesting point on the risk compensation. I can see that causing more recklessness.
The first study you mention is also pretty interesting, however it only is measuring the efficacy of legislation on safety and is not measuring the efficacy of helmet wearing itself. Im not sure if legislation on its own is a good proxy for helmet wearing and the authors do state: "While helmets reduce the risk of head injuries and we encourage their use..."
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by PencilAndPaper on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @04:37PM
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Also...
I used to ride around for years without a helmet despite laws that mandate that I wear one. Interestingly, even after two tickets I still rode around without a helmet because I perceived that I was an awesome cyclist with perfect judgement and not prone to human error at all, a typical attitude for my age at the time.
A few months after starting to wear a helmet because people were being judgmental, not because I thought I would ever need it, I got into an accident where I went flying off my bike. Short story, it saved my brain.
Ya ya, this is anecdotal, but what was important about that experience for me, is it made me realize that my perceptions of safety were totally off. Our own control over the world is actually minimal, and even we fail despite how perfect we think we are at assessing the situation.
I was stupid. Being a cyclist wasnt experience enough for me to assess my safety, I needed a couple of near misses to realize how wrong I was. I needed to physically experience how my head deals with its momentum and pavement. I needed to experience how flying through the air face first with my arms extended to cushion the blow results in my back hitting the pavement followed next by the back of my head. Some people need to learn these things through experience.
If I were to assume everyone was as dense as I was at the time, I would counter with something like "until you've had enough experience being in accidents and thrown into objects, your intuition regarding the safety of that activity is suspect"
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by jessaustin on Thursday June 20, 2013 @01:41PM
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Well, I've ridden thoroughbreds since I was 3yo, so I have some experience with being thrown through the air, and the concussive results of that. I've also crashed my bike, with and without the involvement of other vehicles. In my worst crash, I hit a concrete bollard head-on while pedaling at speed. I flipped over the handlebars and landed on my back. My tucked, helmetless head never touched a thing. I destroyed the heavy-duty suspension fork on my hardtail, but other than that I just scraped my elbow and got my office shirt dirty.
Another occasion that really sticks out in my mind is the time I laid the bike down and jumped off to the side to avoid a child who literally jumped out from behind cover into the street directly in my path. If I had been in a car, going the same speed, that episode would have ended very differently.
I don't have a problem with helmets in general. I never snowboard without a helmet. There are many rivers I won't kayak without a helmet. I don't usually wear a helmet when riding horses, but there are exceptions, like polo. I'm sure I'll encounter other circumstances that seem helmet-appropriate as well. The point is, bicycle commuting is not an extreme sport, so enforcing the conventions of extreme sport is an effective way to discourage it.
For every anecdote, there is another anecdote. You only think your helmet saved you, while I know that my lack of helmet did not harm me in the crash I described. (And if we're going to speculate intuitively, it's a good thing I didn't have a solid bulky object on my head to catch on the pavement and impart a jolt of rotational acceleration to my brain!) If you've never considered the phenomenon of risk compensation, you could think more deeply about an issue that is much more complicated than "it's bad to injure your head". Fortunately, there's a place you can go to educate yourself: http://www.cyclehelmets.org/
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by PencilAndPaper on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @03:51PM
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I guess we were both lucky then (you more so than me, but thats just opinion at this point)!
Risk compensation also applies to drunk drivers, but no one argues that driving drunk is just as risky as driving sober. Yes, it plays a part in the whole equation, but it doesnt necessarily discredit the theory!
Just because other people take bigger risks while cycling with helmets on, doesnt mean that we should write off helmets. They can be very effective when combined safe cycling practices, and perhaps thats how that information can be made useful.
'you could think more deeply about an issue that is much more complicated than "it's bad to injure your head"'
Are you about to argue that head injuries could be considered good? Please enlighten this simple thinker.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by nether on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @05:17PM
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> force an everyday commuter to wear such a thing
> Bicycle helmets are the equivalent of telling homeowners they should build a nuclear bunker
Um, your head gets a bit sweaty and you have to shell out $40. You look kind of dorky too, like the rest of the 50% of cyclists wearing helmets. That is not nearly the inconvenience of "building a nuclear bunker." It's more like asking the homeowner to pay a small premium on his insurance for a slightly riskier residence.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by freiheit on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @02:41PM
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You build a nuclear bunker once. Maybe every 30 to 50 years. The tiny inconveniences of a helmet are daily. It all adds up, and is likely quite a bit more inconvenience over a lifetime.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by notatoad on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:25PM
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A little bit like bicycles themselves. sure, we've got full suspension and electronic shifting and remote lockouts and carbon fibre and all kinds of other fun stuff now, but it's all really just garnish. a bicycle you buy today is not fundamentally different from a bicycle you might have bought 100 years ago. all the core mechanisms are identical.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by gamache on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:03PM
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A car is still fundamentally a four-wheeled carriage, but it's disingenuous to use that to minimize a century of progress.
Today we have bikes that can ride virtually any terrain, carry hundreds of pounds of cargo, soak 10" bumps at 60mph, ride backwards down vert ramps, accomodate limited-mobility riders, and access enough gears to put you in the right pedal cadence in just about any grade.
Yes, it's two wheels, pedals, and a chain. Yes, it's still the diamond-frame safety bicycle. But it has changed.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by revelation on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:37PM
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They are all garnish because there is no culture around bicycles as everyday transportation. So it's become an enthusiast market with flashy inventions but little improvement in the core categories like reliability or safety.
It's a market where all you can buy is the kids plastic version of a Porsche or a literal Porsche.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by mesofile on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:57PM
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Actually, there has long been a strong culture of bikes as transportation for ordinary people in Europe, and to a great extent this has bled over to US cities as more commuters have taken up cycling and created a demand for more utilitarian gear. In the late 90s I had the same complaint you make above, but this is no longer the case. Along with their road and MTB lines all the major marques have introduced a range of 'street' or 'city' models.
The real challenge of improving anything in cycling, from an industrial design perspective, is that a bike is a product whose primary virtue is minimalism. Adding features can be useful for certain niche markets (suspension for downhillers, aero bars for racers) but for the most part a bike is only improved when one can deliver the same (or improved) characteristics of handling, comfort and durability while using less material. Sometimes this is a question of design improvement, but this is rare -- many designs recur over decades (like integrated headset bearings) without ever really becoming essential. More often improvements come from better materials and fabrication techniques.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by buro9 on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:35PM
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I would argue differently.
Take a look at Rohloff hubs.
Take a look at belt drives.
Take a look at disc brakes.
You've already dismissed everything to do with materials, oh well.
Sounds like you just mean: bicycles are two triangles and two hoops... and you would be right.
Strangely that's because the UCI restricted the development of bikes to ensure a level playing field, recumbents were banned in races, as were Moultons with their small wheels and pylon frames, as were the monocoque carbon frames, as were the bikes with farings.
Ultimately, being restricted to two triangles and two hoops means that the manufacturers can only really innovate with everything else.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by steelframe on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:18PM
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Sure, we've got DMA and flash cells and multiple cores and other fun stuff now, but it's all really just garnish. A computer you buy today is not fundamentally different from a computer you might have bought 30 years ago.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by davidw on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:58PM
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Gearing is a massive difference from a bicycle you could buy 100 years ago. It's what allows you to climb something like this, and race down the other side:
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by devilshaircut on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:57PM
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If you want protection from injury on your bicycle, you are better off with a motorcycle helmet than a bicycle helmet, end of story. As has been stated by previous posters, bike helmets are largely ineffective. Bike helmets solve the cyclist protection problem for a small subset of crashes.
The only real innovation I've seen in bike helmets lately is this:
Without this kind of total reimagining of bike protection, I doubt it is possible to innovate on what is currently classified as a helmet for cyclists.
EDIT: Link already posted by a previous poster, of course.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by lambda on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @07:12PM
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> If you want protection from injury on your bicycle, you are better off with a motorcycle helmet than a bicycle helmet, end of story.
Remember that protection is a balancing act. You are reducing the already low chance of catastrophic injury. However, in exchange for that, you are increasing your weight, drag, reducing your ventilation, giving yourself helmet hair, increasing the sweat your head is bathed in at the end of the ride, etc. Tossing a motorcycle helmet in may reduce your risk of injury even further, but remember, catastrophic crashes are relatively rare, they can kill you in many other ways than simple head injury, and a motorcycle helmet is way too heavy, hot, and unventilated for riding a bike, as well as restricting your vision and hearing and thus probably making it more likely for you to be involved in a crash. I would be very surprised if motorcycle helmets actually made you safer once you took all of this, as well as the effect of suppressing your desire to ride due to the discomfort and inconvenience (thus losing the benefits of the exercise it provides), into account.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by kevinpet on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:58PM
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"Bike helmets solve the cyclist protection problem for a small subset of crashes."
Bike helmets reduce the risk of injury in virtually all crashes that an improved helmet would reduce it. They simply don't reduce it as much as an improved helmet would. I don't stress too much about biking with a conventional helmet. Mine is a few years old and I'd like to replace it with a MIPS helmet when they are available, but as it is with a conventional bike helmet, my concerns with biking are:
1. Getting run over by a bus, in which case the helmet is quite moot.
2. Crashing and hurting myself, which with a helmet is unlikely to kill me, but may result in trying to stuff my bike in the back of my wife's car while dripping blood.
The Hovding is something I would never in a million years wear. I want protection from tree branches and similar, and I don't want to worry about throwing out a $300 single use item after a minor spill.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by devilshaircut on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @05:32PM
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I don't know if you ride bikes or not. Regardless of this, you should know that bike helmets are safety rated for low-speed crashes only. An example of this collision is a stationary object - e.g. the ground - impacting a moving object - e.g. your head - at a speed of 11-14 miles per hour.
This is what I term "a small subset of crashes".
Realistically, cyclists ride faster than this. And realistically, the types of collisions you want to protect against are not between you and the ground but rather you and a moving object, such as a car. Bike helmets are not rated for these kinds of crashes.
I would not use the Hovding either. The reason I presented it is because it represents a radically redesigned bike helmet.
Anyhow, as I said before, the only thing you can wear to really prevent bad bike accidents is a motorcycle helmet, which are in fact rated for high speed collisions.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by kevinpet on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @06:51PM
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I commute by bike on roads shared with cars every day and wear a helmet. When I ride in the whole way to work, I tend to average about 15mph, which is probably about 18mph if I count only time actually moving. Some cyclists can ride far faster than this. Most cyclists ride slower than this. There are far more occasional riders or people taking a mountain bike to Caltrain than there are lycra-suited enthusiasts.
I have never seen any reference to bike helmets being "rated" for a specific speed or type of impact. Bike helmets are approved based on a single test carried out by the CSPC which is not calibrated to correspond to any particular speed or type of impact. I don't consider the method of testing helmets particularly important to the well-supported fact that these helmets significantly reduce the risk of serious head injury and death.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by devilshaircut on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @04:40PM
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I am not going to go digging for this information for you but essentially the way bike helmets are tested is a weight is dropped onto the helmet traveling at a certain velocity and the result is recorded. It is not representative of the real world and it is only valid for speeds between 11 and 14 mph.
There are no well-supported "facts" that helmets reduce serious head injury. In fact, among the cycling community, it is a very hot point of contention.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by nether on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @05:52PM
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Do you disagree with the studies showing that helmets prevent injuries?
> A 2012 re-analysis of the 16 studies in the Attewell meta-analysis, by Elvik, found that, compared to helmeted cyclists, unhelmeted cyclists were 2.5 times more likely to sustain a brain injury; 2.3 times more likely to sustain a head injury; and 4.3 times more likely to sustain a fatal injury.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by devilshaircut on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @04:43PM
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Yes. Those studies are one-sided. It is as I indicated in another post a point of contention among the professional cycling community whether or not helmets do more harm than good (both in accidents and sociologically). Here is a study that was very much talked about in recent years.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by steelframe on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:11PM
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I agree that a motorcycle helmet would offer more protection than your typical bicycle helmet. Unfortunately, a motorcycle helmet is a complete non-starter for road cyclists. No one I ride with would even tolerate a full-face mountain biking helmet.
I've been watching the airbags closely since they were first introduced. I look forward to standards bodies developing test methodologies and certifications around them. Then, I'll look forward to the reliability reports and injury statistics as they are adopted.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by devilshaircut on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @05:36PM
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Of course it is a non-starter. I agree, and I would never wear a motorcycle helmet on my bike. I don't even wear a helmet. My point is simply that the degree of protection a bicycle helmet offers is oversold.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by MartinCron on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:43PM
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Once you go that far, you might as well ride a motorcycle or a scooter. You can wear much better safety gear and are fast enough to keep pace with traffic.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by devilshaircut on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @05:35PM
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There is nothing preventing a cyclist from wearing motorcycle gear on a bike. I would never do it though because it isn't practical. But this is precisely the point I am getting at and in fact I do not wear a helmet at all.
As for saying "you might as well ride a motorcycle or a scooter" - you're missing the point entirely. As a cyclist, I don't ride for any other reason than I prefer it.
If you want to say that a car is slower, I would beg to differ. In normal commuting traffic, I blow past the parking lot that urban streets effectively become at rush hour.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by nether on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @05:21PM
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You can wear whatever safety gear you want on a bike. It's just that bicycle crashes are usually so low energy that motorcycle gear is overkill. On a motorcycle, road rash can grind flesh off down to the bone. Nothing's stopping you from wearing a motorcycle jacket, full finger gloves etc. every time you get on a bicycle though.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by stox on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:39PM
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Although the appearance has not changed much, the mechanics have. Helmets built in the mid 1970's were too hard. As a result, during certain accidents, they would enhance the likelihood of breaking one's neck. Later designs would absorb much more of the impact, providing greater protection.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by pconf on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @06:58PM
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This isn't really an educational article. I say that because of the studies it selectively cites and the conclusions they reach.
For example it's fine to call a facial skin abrasion a "head injury" if you are clear about that definition in the research. It's another thing to cite research about "head injuries" and helmet use without mentioning what they means by a head injury.
The article also fails to cite research that contradicts the authors bias. Academic work such as Robinson's longitudinal study of AU or numerous pieces in the British Medical Journal (as referenced at http://www.boycottbell.com/ ) appear to have been carefully avoided.
For these reasons, and the fact that Bicycling Magazine is heavily funded by helmet advertising, it would be naive not to see the advertising influence in this article which goes out of its way to appear to be educational.
The unfortunate result of this sort of "journalism" is that people with little cycling experience and no knowledge of epidemiology read it and assume it is true despite the fact that 98% of the world's bicycling population don't wear helmets and their incidence of true head injuries are uniformly lower among them than the US' helmeted riders. Another downside to this propaganda is that many kids never take up cycling in the first place and many of those who do ride are afraid to venture outside of bike paths, sidewalks and super-low-traffic routes.
From a foreigner's perspective this illustrates American's naivete with regards to sales and marketing and their relatively undeveloped bicycling ecosystem. I for one hope both of those dysfunctional cultural attributes improve with the rising price of petrol.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by deelowe on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:47PM
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Might be worth noting that the motorcyle ones were developed in MotoGP and have been crash tested several times now. Here's an example from a couple weeks ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv88fiB3v6w
They both walked away from that.
These are a godsend for the motorcycle racing community. Now they just need to come down in price.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by malandrew on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @10:04PM
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Although they aren't designed for impact mitigation, there are also airbag vests for snowboarders and skiers in case they get caught in an avalanche. The vest inflates large enough and helps you "float" to the top of the snow wave that engulfs you.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by nether on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @05:26PM
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Helmets have changed substantially since their introduction, starting with the "hairnet" designs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet#History_of_desi... also shown in the classic film Breaking Away), better foam/shell materials, fitting, visors that protect the nose from ground contact, and specialization toward different types of cycling. Full-face helmets are used in mountain biking for frontal impacts.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by steelframe on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:43PM
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As someone who cycles thousands of miles every year and who has smashed a helmet on the pavement in the past, I happily paid over $200 for a MIPS helmet -- the only one I could manage to find for sale in the U.S.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by sliverstorm on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @03:56PM
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For what it's worth, motorcycle helmets are in a similar position. As I read this article, it's like a flashback to a similar article about motorcycle lids.
Both are spec'd and designed for crazy impacts that are not frequent in the real world, and sacrifice low-speed impact protection in the process.
I suppose you could say helmet standards are like an example of unintentional, slightly misguided test-driven development.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by rdouble on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @07:15PM
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In the USA people tend to ride bikes with frame designs inspired by either road or mountain racing bikes. This type of bike geometry makes it easy to get thrown over the handlebars and land on your head should you have an accident.
However, in countries like China, the Netherlands and Denmark, the most popular bikes are typically upright designs that haven't changed much in 100 years. These bikes are pretty much impossible to get thrown over the handlebars, and as such you will never land on your head. The same goes for beach cruisers, bromptons, citi bikes / velib, kids bikes and anything described as a "leisure" bike.
For cyclists who use this sort of bike it doesn't matter that bike helmets haven't changed much, because they are unnecessary for safety, anyway.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @07:17PM
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Your position seems to presume that you cannot receive a head injury in a bicycle accident without being thrown over the handlebars, which is rather emphatically not the case.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by rdouble on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @07:33PM
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Sure, it's theoretically possible but you'd have to try pretty hard to hit your head falling off a dutch bike. Anyone who manages that should probably not be riding a bike in the first place.
Re:Bicycle helmets haven't changed since their introduction
by VLM on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @04:06PM
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The real cost is anyone who ever wore an old model helmet who ever got into an accident of any sort will sue them the moment they change to a new model.
Picture yourself on the stand at trial trying to explain why you didn't safety recall every model 1 after you released model 2. So did you intentionally design model 1 to be faulty? It'll just be awful.
This huge headache has also been an issue for general aviation.
The third reason is improvement R+D costs money, and with virtually no protection from Chinese copies, all that money is lost unless you can convince people to pay more for a genuine helmet rather than a cheap copy with the same improvement.
You can imagine some poor embattled CEO saying "forget it all, just license this years disney characters, put some yoga pants in the ads, and call it good".
The Air Attack perfectly illustrates what drives most helmet innovation: performance
For most everyday commuters, some safety is required at a reasonable price. So a $40 helmet will suffice. For more serious and avid cyclists, they will more likely splash out for the more expensive honeycomb MIPS design.
It took a while for the article to get there, but I was thinking all the time I was reading this about the lightweight honeycomb bike helmets that the British Cycling Team adopted for their Olympics:
http://www.designweek.co.uk/news/crux-product-design-creates...
http://www.trackcyclingnews.com/olympics12bchelmets.html
Extensive testing found that aluminium honeycomb, often used within the aerospace industry, worked well as a material for the helmet core. When combined with the unique dual shell, it was said to outperform previous designs in terms of absorbing impact energy efficiently and ensuring deceleration forces weren't transferred to the wearer.
http://gizmodo.com/5949067/the-ridiculous-high+concept-infla...
Bicycle helmets are the equivalent of telling homeowners they should build a nuclear bunker for their home because we have no interest in ensuring safety standards for nuclear reactors fearing that could cause prices to go up.
This reads like a rant for rants sake. The article wasn't about helmet laws but rather helmet technology and safety standards.
To the "dubious return" point you made - why should bike commuters not optimize for their situation? It scarcely matters whether or not their city could have been better designed. Assuming they don't intend to move to the Netherlands, it makes eminent sense to maximize their safety while on the road.
But we can not possibly divorce the bicycle helmet from its' origin, effects and the economical pressures at work here.
http://cyclingincities.spph.ubc.ca/injuries/the-bice-study/
Considering how dangerous and destructive driving is, maybe its a win-win.
Being a heavy object attached to your body by a thin, fairly weak neck, your head is very likely to hit the ground if you fall at speed.
Also, I live in a place that has social healthcare so, it makes sense to mandate safety since we all foot the bill.
Bicycle helmets are probably more equivalent to mandating homeowners to use insulated wire in their wiring than mandating everyone have a nuclear bunker which is very expensive and extreme ...unless of course your hair is the biggest deal on earth.
Obvious questions arise... like why are motorcycle or pro-sports helmets so radically different in design (full head + visor), even for scooters that barely go faster than bicycles, and how many "major crashes" result in head trauma as opposed to other kinds?
And if bicycle helmets are so great, why don't we require car drivers to wear helmets too? Surely then they would also do an 'outstanding job in keeping our skulls intact in a major crash'?
> In 1989, The New England Journal of Medicine published a study that looked at hundreds of cyclists treated at Seattle-area hospitals. The research team concluded that helmets “reduce the risk of head injury by 85 percent and of brain injury by 88 percent.”
They are basically a very easy insurance policy whose main "cost" is inconvenience.
>fairly straightforward intuition
Ignore this when thinking about statistics.
All the complainers are either cranky motorists or sidewalk cyclists. They feel slightly more guilty right-hooking a commuter who isn't wearing a helmet than some day-glo Lance wannabe. Witness their guilt turned to fury at the mere mention of actual facts about bicycle helmet effectiveness!
Besides who would cause a bruise an injury? I get bruises every day. Bicycling is one of the safest things I do.
Not to be any sort of jerk, but until you've spent enough time cycling in traffic to be comfortable, your intuition regarding the safety of that activity is suspect. Several factors are involved. First of all, there is the risk compensation phenomenon (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21418079), which is also seen for seatbelt-wearers etc. and causes users of any "safety" device to behave less safely to compensate for that use. This phenomenon also applies to other road users, so that when they see a cyclist they perceive to be "protected" by a helmet they don't give her as much space, they drive faster, etc. (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001457506...) Other factors are follow-on effects from the fact that requiring helmets reduces cycling rates (http://www.nber.org/papers/w15658): fewer cyclists make for more dangerous roads for everyone (http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaign/safety-in-numbers) and cyclists who cycle less aren't as good at cycling. There is a "rhythm" to riding in traffic, and after I've taken some time off, I have to be more careful until I sharpen up. With regular practice, you know:
The first study you mention is also pretty interesting, however it only is measuring the efficacy of legislation on safety and is not measuring the efficacy of helmet wearing itself. Im not sure if legislation on its own is a good proxy for helmet wearing and the authors do state: "While helmets reduce the risk of head injuries and we encourage their use..."
I used to ride around for years without a helmet despite laws that mandate that I wear one. Interestingly, even after two tickets I still rode around without a helmet because I perceived that I was an awesome cyclist with perfect judgement and not prone to human error at all, a typical attitude for my age at the time.
A few months after starting to wear a helmet because people were being judgmental, not because I thought I would ever need it, I got into an accident where I went flying off my bike. Short story, it saved my brain.
Ya ya, this is anecdotal, but what was important about that experience for me, is it made me realize that my perceptions of safety were totally off. Our own control over the world is actually minimal, and even we fail despite how perfect we think we are at assessing the situation.
I was stupid. Being a cyclist wasnt experience enough for me to assess my safety, I needed a couple of near misses to realize how wrong I was. I needed to physically experience how my head deals with its momentum and pavement. I needed to experience how flying through the air face first with my arms extended to cushion the blow results in my back hitting the pavement followed next by the back of my head. Some people need to learn these things through experience.
If I were to assume everyone was as dense as I was at the time, I would counter with something like "until you've had enough experience being in accidents and thrown into objects, your intuition regarding the safety of that activity is suspect"
I didnt used to listen to people like me either!
Another occasion that really sticks out in my mind is the time I laid the bike down and jumped off to the side to avoid a child who literally jumped out from behind cover into the street directly in my path. If I had been in a car, going the same speed, that episode would have ended very differently.
I don't have a problem with helmets in general. I never snowboard without a helmet. There are many rivers I won't kayak without a helmet. I don't usually wear a helmet when riding horses, but there are exceptions, like polo. I'm sure I'll encounter other circumstances that seem helmet-appropriate as well. The point is, bicycle commuting is not an extreme sport, so enforcing the conventions of extreme sport is an effective way to discourage it.
For every anecdote, there is another anecdote. You only think your helmet saved you, while I know that my lack of helmet did not harm me in the crash I described. (And if we're going to speculate intuitively, it's a good thing I didn't have a solid bulky object on my head to catch on the pavement and impart a jolt of rotational acceleration to my brain!) If you've never considered the phenomenon of risk compensation, you could think more deeply about an issue that is much more complicated than "it's bad to injure your head". Fortunately, there's a place you can go to educate yourself: http://www.cyclehelmets.org/
Risk compensation also applies to drunk drivers, but no one argues that driving drunk is just as risky as driving sober. Yes, it plays a part in the whole equation, but it doesnt necessarily discredit the theory!
Just because other people take bigger risks while cycling with helmets on, doesnt mean that we should write off helmets. They can be very effective when combined safe cycling practices, and perhaps thats how that information can be made useful.
'you could think more deeply about an issue that is much more complicated than "it's bad to injure your head"'
Are you about to argue that head injuries could be considered good? Please enlighten this simple thinker.
> Bicycle helmets are the equivalent of telling homeowners they should build a nuclear bunker
Um, your head gets a bit sweaty and you have to shell out $40. You look kind of dorky too, like the rest of the 50% of cyclists wearing helmets. That is not nearly the inconvenience of "building a nuclear bunker." It's more like asking the homeowner to pay a small premium on his insurance for a slightly riskier residence.
Today we have bikes that can ride virtually any terrain, carry hundreds of pounds of cargo, soak 10" bumps at 60mph, ride backwards down vert ramps, accomodate limited-mobility riders, and access enough gears to put you in the right pedal cadence in just about any grade.
Yes, it's two wheels, pedals, and a chain. Yes, it's still the diamond-frame safety bicycle. But it has changed.
It's a market where all you can buy is the kids plastic version of a Porsche or a literal Porsche.
The real challenge of improving anything in cycling, from an industrial design perspective, is that a bike is a product whose primary virtue is minimalism. Adding features can be useful for certain niche markets (suspension for downhillers, aero bars for racers) but for the most part a bike is only improved when one can deliver the same (or improved) characteristics of handling, comfort and durability while using less material. Sometimes this is a question of design improvement, but this is rare -- many designs recur over decades (like integrated headset bearings) without ever really becoming essential. More often improvements come from better materials and fabrication techniques.
Take a look at Rohloff hubs.
Take a look at belt drives.
Take a look at disc brakes.
You've already dismissed everything to do with materials, oh well.
Sounds like you just mean: bicycles are two triangles and two hoops... and you would be right.
Strangely that's because the UCI restricted the development of bikes to ensure a level playing field, recumbents were banned in races, as were Moultons with their small wheels and pylon frames, as were the monocoque carbon frames, as were the bikes with farings.
Ultimately, being restricted to two triangles and two hoops means that the manufacturers can only really innovate with everything else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stelvio_Pass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derailleur_gears
The only real innovation I've seen in bike helmets lately is this:
http://www.hovding.com/en/how_it_works?/en/how
Without this kind of total reimagining of bike protection, I doubt it is possible to innovate on what is currently classified as a helmet for cyclists.
EDIT: Link already posted by a previous poster, of course.
Remember that protection is a balancing act. You are reducing the already low chance of catastrophic injury. However, in exchange for that, you are increasing your weight, drag, reducing your ventilation, giving yourself helmet hair, increasing the sweat your head is bathed in at the end of the ride, etc. Tossing a motorcycle helmet in may reduce your risk of injury even further, but remember, catastrophic crashes are relatively rare, they can kill you in many other ways than simple head injury, and a motorcycle helmet is way too heavy, hot, and unventilated for riding a bike, as well as restricting your vision and hearing and thus probably making it more likely for you to be involved in a crash. I would be very surprised if motorcycle helmets actually made you safer once you took all of this, as well as the effect of suppressing your desire to ride due to the discomfort and inconvenience (thus losing the benefits of the exercise it provides), into account.
Bike helmets reduce the risk of injury in virtually all crashes that an improved helmet would reduce it. They simply don't reduce it as much as an improved helmet would. I don't stress too much about biking with a conventional helmet. Mine is a few years old and I'd like to replace it with a MIPS helmet when they are available, but as it is with a conventional bike helmet, my concerns with biking are:
1. Getting run over by a bus, in which case the helmet is quite moot.
2. Crashing and hurting myself, which with a helmet is unlikely to kill me, but may result in trying to stuff my bike in the back of my wife's car while dripping blood.
The Hovding is something I would never in a million years wear. I want protection from tree branches and similar, and I don't want to worry about throwing out a $300 single use item after a minor spill.
This is what I term "a small subset of crashes".
Realistically, cyclists ride faster than this. And realistically, the types of collisions you want to protect against are not between you and the ground but rather you and a moving object, such as a car. Bike helmets are not rated for these kinds of crashes.
I would not use the Hovding either. The reason I presented it is because it represents a radically redesigned bike helmet.
Anyhow, as I said before, the only thing you can wear to really prevent bad bike accidents is a motorcycle helmet, which are in fact rated for high speed collisions.
I have never seen any reference to bike helmets being "rated" for a specific speed or type of impact. Bike helmets are approved based on a single test carried out by the CSPC which is not calibrated to correspond to any particular speed or type of impact. I don't consider the method of testing helmets particularly important to the well-supported fact that these helmets significantly reduce the risk of serious head injury and death.
There are no well-supported "facts" that helmets reduce serious head injury. In fact, among the cycling community, it is a very hot point of contention.
> A 2012 re-analysis of the 16 studies in the Attewell meta-analysis, by Elvik, found that, compared to helmeted cyclists, unhelmeted cyclists were 2.5 times more likely to sustain a brain injury; 2.3 times more likely to sustain a head injury; and 4.3 times more likely to sustain a fatal injury.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet#Science:_measur...
http://www.drianwalker.com/overtaking/
A Google search will reveal other similar studies as well. Wikipedia is not comprehensive.
I've been watching the airbags closely since they were first introduced. I look forward to standards bodies developing test methodologies and certifications around them. Then, I'll look forward to the reliability reports and injury statistics as they are adopted.
As for saying "you might as well ride a motorcycle or a scooter" - you're missing the point entirely. As a cyclist, I don't ride for any other reason than I prefer it.
If you want to say that a car is slower, I would beg to differ. In normal commuting traffic, I blow past the parking lot that urban streets effectively become at rush hour.
The reason we ride bicycles is that bicycles are perfect vehicles, and require no "safety gear" whatsoever.
For example it's fine to call a facial skin abrasion a "head injury" if you are clear about that definition in the research. It's another thing to cite research about "head injuries" and helmet use without mentioning what they means by a head injury.
The article also fails to cite research that contradicts the authors bias. Academic work such as Robinson's longitudinal study of AU or numerous pieces in the British Medical Journal (as referenced at http://www.boycottbell.com/ ) appear to have been carefully avoided.
For these reasons, and the fact that Bicycling Magazine is heavily funded by helmet advertising, it would be naive not to see the advertising influence in this article which goes out of its way to appear to be educational.
The unfortunate result of this sort of "journalism" is that people with little cycling experience and no knowledge of epidemiology read it and assume it is true despite the fact that 98% of the world's bicycling population don't wear helmets and their incidence of true head injuries are uniformly lower among them than the US' helmeted riders. Another downside to this propaganda is that many kids never take up cycling in the first place and many of those who do ride are afraid to venture outside of bike paths, sidewalks and super-low-traffic routes.
From a foreigner's perspective this illustrates American's naivete with regards to sales and marketing and their relatively undeveloped bicycling ecosystem. I for one hope both of those dysfunctional cultural attributes improve with the rising price of petrol.
I am skeptical about how well these airbags protect one's face, but its an interesting new take on protecting your head.
http://www.hovding.com/en/how_it_works?/en/how
They also have airbag jackets for motorcyclists
http://www.bikebone.com/Air-Vest-Motorcycle-Airbag-Hit-Air.h...
They both walked away from that.
These are a godsend for the motorcycle racing community. Now they just need to come down in price.
Both are spec'd and designed for crazy impacts that are not frequent in the real world, and sacrifice low-speed impact protection in the process.
I suppose you could say helmet standards are like an example of unintentional, slightly misguided test-driven development.
However, in countries like China, the Netherlands and Denmark, the most popular bikes are typically upright designs that haven't changed much in 100 years. These bikes are pretty much impossible to get thrown over the handlebars, and as such you will never land on your head. The same goes for beach cruisers, bromptons, citi bikes / velib, kids bikes and anything described as a "leisure" bike.
For cyclists who use this sort of bike it doesn't matter that bike helmets haven't changed much, because they are unnecessary for safety, anyway.
That actually sounds pretty reasonable.
Picture yourself on the stand at trial trying to explain why you didn't safety recall every model 1 after you released model 2. So did you intentionally design model 1 to be faulty? It'll just be awful.
This huge headache has also been an issue for general aviation.
The third reason is improvement R+D costs money, and with virtually no protection from Chinese copies, all that money is lost unless you can convince people to pay more for a genuine helmet rather than a cheap copy with the same improvement.
You can imagine some poor embattled CEO saying "forget it all, just license this years disney characters, put some yoga pants in the ads, and call it good".