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Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Cushman on Monday March 04, 2013 @01:42PM (#5319770)
If he just got off the phone with the White House, I'd imagine he has a pretty good idea of what their response was. Your cynicism is a big part of the reason it's so hard to change things around here.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by sneak on Monday March 04, 2013 @01:48PM (#5319823)
No it's not.

I emigrated from the US after it became clear they weren't going to reinstate the rule of law. Your military-industrial complex is the reason that it's so hard to change things around... there.

This is why you have bullshit laws like the DMCA in the first place.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Cushman on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:00PM (#5319931)
It's not? Normal people abdicating the political process is exactly what hinders change in democracies.

We just completed our one-hundred-thirteenth peaceful transition of power at the will of the people. The entrenched powers-that-be are only entrenched because we, as an electorate, keep voting for them. If everybody showed up to the polls, they'd be out in two years— but hey, why bother?

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by onemorepassword on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:19PM (#5320130)
There has been no transition of power. Power is still in the hands of those who have bought it. All democracies are far from perfect, but the US have allowed theirs to be dominated by money from the very foundation.

Even quite corrupt democracies are more open to be changed by popular vote than the US, were not being bought and paid for beforehand means you don't have the means to successfully stand for election.

Hell, even countries where political candidates regularly get murdered stand more chance of peaceful democratic change.

The US political system is a effectively a convoluted equivalent of having a ballot with only one name on it. Only in this case it's a dollar sign. I would be very surprised if this could be overturned by peaceful means, but it will most certainly require extra-parliamentary action, because US democracy has been sold.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Cushman on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:36PM (#5320281)
This goes for all of you: Bullshit. Learn some recent political history, starting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#2010_electio... The Tea Party didn't sweep because they had money (although they did), but because they got people to vote. They were elected with a mandate to destroy the Federal government, and by God, they almost pulled it off. Whether you're progressive or libertarian, the reason the established parties keep winning is because their people vote, and our people don't.

Gerrymandering is a huge problem. Voter suppression is a huge problem. Electoral fraud may be a huge problem. But these things have not succeeded in destroying our democracy, yet — the person who wins the election becomes the person in power, every time. Our system is working, we're just losing.

So don't get involved if you like, sit back and be cynical if it makes you feel better(?), but don't pretend you're not part of the problem.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by AngrySkillzz on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:10PM (#5320973)
The tea party isn't a great example at arguing against the effectiveness of money in politics, as the entire movement was partially founded on astroturfing done by Koch Industries and big tobacco. Now I wouldn't go so far as to write the movement off as an example of "democracy not working" or what have you, as the tea party had it's share of honest grassroots self-organization, but it isn't fair to say it developed independently from moneyed interests.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by onli on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:42PM (#5320325)
> the person who wins the election becomes the person in power, every time.

That is a joke, isn't it?

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Cushman on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:46PM (#5320351)
Well, almost every time. Shit does happen. But no, I would seem to be the shockingly uncommon American who has some measure of faith in the process of self-governance that has seen us through the last two hundred thirty years.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by arthurrr on Monday March 04, 2013 @11:27PM (#5322913)
Cushman, you sound like somebody who believes everything that you were taught in school, and you are unwilling to entertain an idea that has the possibility of destroying the foundation of your world view. Don't try to impose your world view on events as they occur, rather, observe the world and consider all possibilities. Things usually are not what they appear to be. The expert is not always right, even if he thinks he is.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by GhotiFish on Wednesday March 06, 2013 @09:02AM (#5331140)
You tell this to the guy who's responding to the worlds most common imposed view. That of the internal workings of a system being dictated solely by malice and corruption.

"Why does this computer hate me?!" "The people who built it must be stupid."

It's not world changing in any way at ALL to say some entity or organization is corrupt. Find me an organization that hasn't being called corrupt.

Do you remember in 2011, when OPERA had some experimental results that suggested neutrinos were moving fast than light? I was in the reddit comment thread covering this story at the time. I made the point that there's no way this is actually happening, and that they were just releasing these results to get 3rd party analysis into what was happening.

By the next morning I had a flood of downvotes and comments about how naive stubborn thinkers like me are rejecting science and ruining the world, and that if only I'd open my eyes to the possibility of something new, even if it shook the foundations of my beliefs, then we could make progress as a species. ect. ect. ect.

Turned out it was a measurement error and they were just releasing results to the public to get 3rd party analysis.

Awwwww.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Cushman on Tuesday March 05, 2013 @03:13AM (#5323510)
I am most certainly not an idealist, but I take it as a compliment to be called one.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by BCM43 on Tuesday March 05, 2013 @11:08AM (#5325254)
I don't think arthurrr called you an idealist. Naive, maybe.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Cushman on Tuesday March 05, 2013 @12:14PM (#5325732)
Well, let's agree to disagree.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by icelancer on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:24PM (#5321077)
Why are you so sure this concept of self-governance is what has kept the peace, and not, for example, some other forces involved? Why must we give all credit to the public sector?
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by bluedanieru on Monday March 04, 2013 @07:59PM (#5322170)
Bullshit. The Tea Party was swept into power because they had financial backing from rich extremists and mass media support. I'm somewhat sympathetic to the point you're trying to make, but you could not have picked a worse example.

Yes, the Tea Party started out as a grassroots thing, but it was quickly co-opted by the existing power structure and its message lost.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Cushman on Tuesday March 05, 2013 @03:09AM (#5323495)
I'm not talking about grassroots, and in fact I don't really believe the Tea Party was ever anything more than a covert big-money lobby that got wildly out of hand. But money is not what wins elections— it's the votes that get counted at the end of the day.

We're all so predictably unparticipatory that spending a hundred million dollars to move the needle a few tenths of a percent one way or the other makes good political sense. If everybody showed up to vote, that would simply not be true. That's the point I've been making this whole time.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by brownbat on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:34PM (#5321133)
> Power is still in the hands of those who have bought it.

As former Presidents Steve Forbes, Nelson Rockefeller, Ross Perot, Donald Trump, John (Heinz) Kerry, and Mitt Romney clearly demonstrate, money is all that matters in politics.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by jussij on Monday March 04, 2013 @05:16PM (#5321391)
You have to look know futher than to the likes of Jack Abramoff to know US government is controlled by money:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff

Just one example from the link:

> Abramoff and his law firm were paid at least $6.7 million by the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI) from 1995 to 2001, which made manufacture goods with the "Made in the USA" label but is not subject to U.S. labor and minimum wage laws.

What’s good about that one is it went on for years and all the politicians knew about it.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by nl on Monday March 04, 2013 @10:25PM (#5322688)
What’s good about that one is it went on for years and all the politicians knew about it.

I think you are trying to make the point that money bought the all politicians. While that is somewhat true in some cases it isn't the full story.

I suspect if you dig deeper what you will find is that no one cared enough to fix the problem.

I'd note in particular that the bill designed to stop the abuses in CNMI was passed unanimously in the Senate, but then blocked by Tom DeLay in the house[1]. While is it easy to say that DeLay blocked the bill because of money, the truth is that DeLay is quite happy to block any bill that involves new labor laws.

Abramoff found someone who's politics already aligned with what he wanted to happen and then made sure that person saw it as something important enough to do something about it.

I'm not at all sure that is political corruption at all.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff_CNMI_scandal

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by jimmaswell on Monday March 04, 2013 @06:24PM (#5321725)
Former president Mitt Romney?
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by nl on Monday March 04, 2013 @10:12PM (#5322642)
Exactly.

(ie, Money is important, but it isn't the only thing)

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by peterwwillis on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:33PM (#5320260)
Power is still in the hands of those who have bought it.

You're half right. Technically we tax payers only lease our elected officials, they aren't our property (that became illegal a few years ago)

What's really funny is how people keep paying into a system they don't like and never do anything about it. According to popular practice, everyone thinks that Facebook and Twitter statuses will create change in Congress. Somebody should write a FAQ about that.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by zanny on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:39PM (#5320299)
I agree I don't like the peaceful transition wording. Republicans and democrats collude together, and are both paid off by almost every major company in the US to vote in their favor. Both are owned, both put forth candidates in each district that fit their ideology and interests, and people vote between two politicians groomed to uphold the party line.

There isn't a choice. It is why I vote libertarian. But the root problems are deeper than that, mainly that you have individual citizens voting for too many people they have no empathy or commonality with, and that politics is a profession rather than civil service.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by AnthonyMouse on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:39PM (#5321169)
>Republicans and democrats collude together, and are both paid off by almost every major company in the US to vote in their favor.

Not exactly. There are two things that win elections: Money and votes. And money only because it can be used to buy votes.

When the major parties agree on an issue it's because that issue has a stable equilibrium: Either the parties both side with the electorate or the monied interests because the number of vote-equivalent dollars gained in changing positions is not greater than the number actual votes lost by doing so (or vice versa). So you don't see many politicians seriously advocating legalizing murder or drastically slashing the defense budget, respectively.

But all you have to do to get them to change is to make the number of votes they lose by siding with corporations on a particular issue greater than the amount of money they get by doing so. You don't even have to get the parties to split -- most of the issues they're split on are intentionally wedge issues or detail-free hogwash like "small government" or the vague notion that rich people should pay more taxes. You can actually get them both to start siding with the interests of the people on a particular issue, you just have to make more noise than what the opposing interests are paying in dollars. It has happened before. The establishment of the EPA, the breakup of AT&T, the defeat of SOPA, it's a pretty long list.

But it only happens if we make it happen. We have to make them understand that if they don't do what we want, they lose more votes than the money they're being paid can buy them back. Getting 100,000+ voters to sign a petition that brings the issue to the attention of lawmakers may not be sufficient to achieve that on its own, but it ain't a bad start.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by zanny on Monday March 04, 2013 @06:25PM (#5321727)
We had the ability to pressure with votes 50 years ago. Today, the vast majority of congressional districts are so heavily gerrymandered the ruling party can do anything and the political climate of that region is so fanatic that people will never not vote for their choice party candidate.

Out of 435 house representatives, each election every two years, only a dozen or two seats will change party. At best. That often throws the balance in congress towards one party or the other, but the vast majority of congressmen can be corrupt as fuck and never worry about losing their seat because they are in "red" or "blue" districts.

If you don't live in one of the few turbulent districts with political discourse, nothing will change and the congressman has no care for his / her constituents because they can't be displaced, and the constituents are brainwashed into an us vs them mentality and local culture of blaming everything on the "other guy" even when their rep is actively voting against them.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by AnthonyMouse on Monday March 04, 2013 @10:19PM (#5322667)
Gerrymandering is a serious problem, but it just changes the tactics necessary to win: Instead of spreading out nationwide to try to change the result in every individual district, we concentrate on the districts with contested seats. And because those seats determine who gets the majority in the legislature, if you can cause a substantial number of votes to change sides in those districts based on the party's stance on your issue, you can influence the party's platform -- or deprive them of the 51st vote necessary to pass legislation contrary to our interests, because the representative from the contested district can't vote against us without it costing the next election.

In addition to that, gerrymandering just pushes the real campaign into the primaries for those seats. If your representative's party has a hard lock on your district's seat, do what the Tea Party has been doing and primary the incumbent. And fewer people vote in the primaries, so each vote you can shift from one candidate to another counts for more there.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by homosaur on Monday March 04, 2013 @09:25PM (#5322489)
You're absolutely right about this and this is why third parties have to be a huge part of any reform effort. The system has been gerrymandered to support two parties, but not three. If someone can attack the entrenched party from either the left or right and gain passion about specific, focused issues the whole corrupt system falls apart, hopefully long enough to pass a widespread reform effort.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by AnthonyMouse on Monday March 04, 2013 @10:27PM (#5322693)
Forget about third parties. Third parties can't win with a first past the post voting system -- the minute you have three viable parties, the two most similar parties immediately starting losing elections to the least similar party because the more similar parties split the vote between one another, and since they're not stupid they realize this and stop running candidates against one another, effectively merging into a single party.

But you can get the result you want through the primaries. Run your candidate against the incumbent in the primary and keep emphasizing your specific issues and publicizing the incumbent's corrupt stance on them -- even if you don't always win, you may be able to get the incumbent to change positions.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by brownbat on Monday March 04, 2013 @11:50PM (#5322996)
> Forget about third parties. Third parties can't win with a first past the post voting system

This is known as Duverger's Law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

There are a number of meaningful counterexamples, perhaps most notably in the UK, where Lib Dems have received a significant number of seats since 1974.

These discussions tend to obscure the degree of differences within a given party in the US. (ie, Zell Miller and Dennis Kucinich once shared a party. Though Kucinich was given an "F" by the NRA on gun issues, Zell was later elected to the NRA's board of governors. Kucinich was also a strict vegan, while Zell once threatened to shoot Chris Matthews. You could run similar comparisons by bringing in other Dems, you could do the same on the other side of the aisle. ie, not many Republicans would consider marrying one of the Kennedys or praise Obama's post-hurricane support, but a couple would.)

Any two-party system with a diverse electorate will eventually have to allow substantial variation in candidates and viewpoints, or it will be inevitably reduced to regionalism and obscurity.

A many-party system will eventually force smaller parties into large coalitions to attempt any governance at all.

In short, a two party system and a many-party system are not substantially different in the number of political viewpoints they entertain, nor in the types of compromises required between those factions to result in political action.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by bambooz on Monday March 04, 2013 @11:16PM (#5322878)
AnthonyMouse, your above posts and analysis of the US political system are reasoned and logical. Thank you for sharing your views - which inspire me to become more involved in making change happen.

If you're not already aware, I would encourage you to check out Lawrence Lessig and the Rootstrikers organization which is aiming to reduce the influence that money currently has on elections.

Question: Can you recommend any particular organizations that are employing your above strategy of targeting primaries of contested districts to defeat soulless "bought and paid" incumbents?

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by danenania on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:16PM (#5320097)
Unfortunately, the "entrenched powers" in the US definitely have not been elected by anyone. Because of this, we haven't had a true transfer of power in many many years.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by defen on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:45PM (#5321192)
> The entrenched powers-that-be are only entrenched because we, as an electorate, keep voting for them.

99.9% of federal employees are not elected. That's the true entrenched power - the permanent bureaucracy. They'll be there regardless of who gets elected.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by thwest on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:30PM (#5320231)
Democracy looks a lot more like direct action than petition writing and voting. Look at the fight against the Keystone XL. All the campaigning in the world couldn't beat the fossil fuel lobby. But a few days of direct action in east Texas has resulted in route changes that even the best connected farmers couldn't implement.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Uchikoma on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:26PM (#5320203)
There are some that think a two party system isn't democratic at all (Most Europeans, except the UK, but they don't consider themselves Europeans). Others here think parties are not democratic at all (Some Italians for example).
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by lotsofcows on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:59PM (#5320457)
You are having a laugh! There hasn't been a disruptive presence in US politics since you ganged up with the French because the Brits were charging too much tax (same old, same old).
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by metaphorm on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:21PM (#5320156)
lol. i'm so sorry that you are still under the impression that voting is how you change the system.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by SeanLuke on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:08PM (#5320013)
> Your military-industrial complex is the reason that it's so hard to change things around... there.

Wait..., what? The military-industrial complex has something to do with locking cell phones? Are you familiar with the origin of this phrase?

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by sliverstorm on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:19PM (#5320126)
The military-industrial complex is probably the reason he thinks the military-industrial complex is responsible for everything wrong in America
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by danenania on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:20PM (#5320138)
It has quite a lot to do with the corruption of principles that make such legislative absurdities possible.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by rayiner on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:34PM (#5320264)
The DMCA is not a "legislative absurdity." It was embraced by both content owners and internet companies, who sought the safe harbor provisions of the act. From Congress's viewpoint, it was a measure that had broad industry support, with little to no public opposition.

As for why "broad industry support" is so crucial--it's because Americans care pretty much only about jobs. The media sector has jobs and the internet sector has jobs, and when you can get content owners and tech giants to agree on something, well then from the perspective of a Congressman you're in job-creation wonderland.

It's mind-boggling to hear all these rants about how "democracy is dead" when people here obviously fail to look beyond their own circle of idealistic friends to see what the American electorate is really asking for. E.g. remember Obama and Romney falling over themselves to see who could support coal power more in the last debate? You think it was because of checks written by the coal lobby? Of course not. In 2008, more than half of Obama's money came from donations under $200. Some coal lobby checks aren't going to make a dent in the situation. The real reason the candidates fell over themselves supporting Big Coal is voters. Voters in rural Pennsylvania whose livelihood depends on the coal industry. Hell voters everywhere--even your average American liberal is deeply skeptical of well-established progressive concerns like the environment, and are liable to believe something like "we can't pass measures that raise energy prices in a recession." You think they give a shit about "freedom of information," the "freedom to tinker," etc?

American politics is 90% a referendum on jobs, and has been since the recession of the late 1980's/early 1990's. Big corporations hold themselves out as job creators and creators of economic growth. At least half of voters outright believe that, and even among those that ostensibly don't, they don't disbelieve it all that strongly. That's what creates the corporatism in American politics.

Why does Congress support Verizon's right to lock down their phones over peoples' freedom to tinker with their phones? Because Verizon creates jobs. And while individuals may be annoyed by policies like that, what they are more worried about, indeed deeply afraid of, is any measure that would piss off the job creators.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by MereInterest on Monday March 04, 2013 @06:13PM (#5321675)
Embraced by both content leasers (I refuse to say "content owners", because copyright is a finite monopoly, not ownership.) and internet companies, but not by the general public.

It is absurdity because it provides a mechanism by which fair use can be completely restricted. It is the equivalent of saying "You are completely allowed out of your cell, provided that you do not break the lock."

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by rayiner on Monday March 04, 2013 @06:36PM (#5321785)
> Embraced by both content leasers (I refuse to say "content owners", because copyright is a finite monopoly, not ownership.) and internet companies, but not by the general public.

The way politicians see it (not without merit): embraced by 'job creators', ignored by the public, opposed by a tiny minority of people who wouldn't vote for them anyway.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Nursie on Tuesday March 05, 2013 @05:41AM (#5323840)
"The DMCA is not a "legislative absurdity." It was embraced by both content owners and internet companies,"

And they're what's important, right?

The fact it inflicts perverse rules on everyone else is just a side effect and who cares?

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by sneak on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:46PM (#5320796)
I direct your attention to the "industrial" part of the "military-industrial complex" statement. Giant telecoms and media companies, protecting their aging and anticompetitive business models, paid large sums of money to the legislature to get laws passed to make it a criminal offense to circumvent their dying business models and to protect their entrenched positions.

So, yes, the reason that we have the DMCA is because of big content and big telecoms - a large part of the "industrial" arm of the "military-industrial complex".

Thank you, drive through.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by techpeace on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:59PM (#5320882)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex

The phrase does not apply to any industry, it refers specifically to the defense industry, of which telecoms are not a part. Otherwise, we could plausibly say that any sufficiently large business in the US is part of the "military-industrial complex," which is not the case.

So it has little, if anything, to do with the military-industrial complex.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by sneak on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:14PM (#5321018)
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by dyno12345 on Monday March 04, 2013 @05:48PM (#5321565)
That also has nothing to do with the "military-industrial complex"

In order for that to fit the analogy, AT&T would have to have lobbied the government to create that so it could profit from it.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by techpeace on Monday March 04, 2013 @06:02PM (#5321626)
The entire reason this was controversial was specifically because we consider telecommunications working hand-in-hand with intelligence agencies to be a violation of our basic freedoms. Had this been set up in a foreign country by KBR, it would fit within the concept of the "military industrial complex."
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by nohat on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:01PM (#5319941)
How exactly is the military industrial complex related to DMCA? If you really mean special interests, then say that instead of recycling the 'military industrial complex' catch phrase.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Karunamon on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:38PM (#5320287)
How exactly is the DMCA "bullshit"? It provides an (addmitedly imperfect, yet better than the alternative) notification/takedown/reinstatement process and indemnifies content providers from the infringing acts taken by their users.

There might be many BS copyright laws and extensions, but the DMCA ain't one of them.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by yuliyp on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:46PM (#5320795)
This has nothing to do with the takedown and indemnification sections. It has to do with the sections which make talking about, writing, distributing, and running certain types of code illegal.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by eek04 on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:57PM (#5321271)
We're talking about 17 USC § 1201 - Circumvention of copyright protection systems (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201), the anti-circumvention part of the DMCA, most importantly 1201(a) Violations Regarding Circumvention of Technological Measures (with the associated 1201(b) Additional Violations).

What you're talking about is USC 512 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512), 17 USC § 512 - Limitations on liability relating to material online

These are more or less completely unrelated apart from being introduced in the same legislative act (which also did a fair number of other changes to the law.)

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by peterwwillis on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:40PM (#5320304)
Wait, are you saying the military-industrial complex is responsible for the DMCA? Because it's really, really not.

Perhaps you should look up what "lobbying" is, and what industries have lobbies. (hint: ALL OF THEM)

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by azernik on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:13PM (#5321005)
Sorry to break it to you, but this response is completely in line with the rule of law - the Administration is bound to follow the laws passed by Congress, even if they disagree with those laws.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by jvrossb on Monday March 04, 2013 @01:59PM (#5319916)
Where did you emigrate to?
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by ynniv on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:08PM (#5320014)
Neukölln, Berlin, Germany

[https://twitter.com/sneakatdatavibe]

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by socialist_coder on Monday March 04, 2013 @05:30PM (#5321480)
Same here. Berlin is absolutely awesome. My wife and I came back to the US this winter to visit with family so they could meet our new baby. The longer I'm back in the US though, the more I miss Berlin.

If anyone is in the video game industry and wants to try and move to Berlin, this is a pretty good company who is hiring right now: http://www.yager.de/career/

The way I immigrated was by having a baby with a German. That allowed me to get a work permit / permanent resident status without any hassle at all.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by antimatter on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:08PM (#5320515)
I'd be interested in reading about your experience doing this. I've been considering leaving the US as well lately.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by cgio on Monday March 04, 2013 @05:16PM (#5321392)
I hope you do not get too dizzy by the swings on the cradle of democracy and peace that you moved to. How would someone compare democracy in the States with that in Germany is beyond me. People tend to forget very easily.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by marcamillion on Monday March 04, 2013 @05:46PM (#5321555)
>"reinstate the rule of law".....are you kidding me, right now?

I mean....ok...I get that the process by which laws are made and passed can seem corrupt at times.....but come on.....this is just straight hyperbole and cynicism.

If you are complaining about America, why don't you move to a third world country - where we don't have basic things like election campaign laws that politicians have to disclose donors.

It's so easy to complain about what you have...when you have no idea what others have to live with on a daily basis.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by aneth4 on Monday March 04, 2013 @09:29PM (#5322503)
The rule of law is not mutually exclusive with a "military-industrial complex."

Anyway, where did you move that's so much better? Somewhere else you can organize a petition against the interest of major corporations and receive a phone call from the highest levels of government agreeing with you and asking to work with you. Sure, some small uniform Scandinavian governments might be more accessible, but I'm curious what your choice was.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by arthurrr on Monday March 04, 2013 @11:29PM (#5322921)
Mexico? The wall along the border is not to keep Mexicans out, it is to keep Americans inside.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by smsm42 on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:49PM (#5321212)
"Military-industrial complex" doesn't vote. People vote. If people refused to vote for congressmen that enact stuff like DMCA, this won't happen. But most of the people think as long as their congressman "brings home the bacon" and doesn't steal too much money and doesn't cheat on his wife (this one is the most important for some reason unless you're Clinton), it's fine.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by eli_gottlieb on Wednesday March 06, 2013 @05:31PM (#5334481)
The DMCA has little to do with the military and everything to do with the fact that humanity simply doesn't know how to accurately value software goods, which are non-scarce in their marginal cost of production, next to a world full of hardware goods, which are strongly scarce and sometimes near-impossible to make more of (land, water, air, etc).
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by niketdesai on Monday March 04, 2013 @05:05PM (#5321320)
I appreciate your view only because the skepticism is important as it draws attention to things optimists of the system like me will ignore.

There is a problem with some skeptics that purposely lead people on goose chases, but the true ones will attack key problems that we can then focus our efforts.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by kirillzubovsky on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:52PM (#5320406)
Response != action.