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Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by SeanLuke on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:08PM (#5320013)
> Your military-industrial complex is the reason that it's so hard to change things around... there.

Wait..., what? The military-industrial complex has something to do with locking cell phones? Are you familiar with the origin of this phrase?

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by sliverstorm on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:19PM (#5320126)
The military-industrial complex is probably the reason he thinks the military-industrial complex is responsible for everything wrong in America
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by danenania on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:20PM (#5320138)
It has quite a lot to do with the corruption of principles that make such legislative absurdities possible.
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by rayiner on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:34PM (#5320264)
The DMCA is not a "legislative absurdity." It was embraced by both content owners and internet companies, who sought the safe harbor provisions of the act. From Congress's viewpoint, it was a measure that had broad industry support, with little to no public opposition.

As for why "broad industry support" is so crucial--it's because Americans care pretty much only about jobs. The media sector has jobs and the internet sector has jobs, and when you can get content owners and tech giants to agree on something, well then from the perspective of a Congressman you're in job-creation wonderland.

It's mind-boggling to hear all these rants about how "democracy is dead" when people here obviously fail to look beyond their own circle of idealistic friends to see what the American electorate is really asking for. E.g. remember Obama and Romney falling over themselves to see who could support coal power more in the last debate? You think it was because of checks written by the coal lobby? Of course not. In 2008, more than half of Obama's money came from donations under $200. Some coal lobby checks aren't going to make a dent in the situation. The real reason the candidates fell over themselves supporting Big Coal is voters. Voters in rural Pennsylvania whose livelihood depends on the coal industry. Hell voters everywhere--even your average American liberal is deeply skeptical of well-established progressive concerns like the environment, and are liable to believe something like "we can't pass measures that raise energy prices in a recession." You think they give a shit about "freedom of information," the "freedom to tinker," etc?

American politics is 90% a referendum on jobs, and has been since the recession of the late 1980's/early 1990's. Big corporations hold themselves out as job creators and creators of economic growth. At least half of voters outright believe that, and even among those that ostensibly don't, they don't disbelieve it all that strongly. That's what creates the corporatism in American politics.

Why does Congress support Verizon's right to lock down their phones over peoples' freedom to tinker with their phones? Because Verizon creates jobs. And while individuals may be annoyed by policies like that, what they are more worried about, indeed deeply afraid of, is any measure that would piss off the job creators.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by MereInterest on Monday March 04, 2013 @06:13PM (#5321675)
Embraced by both content leasers (I refuse to say "content owners", because copyright is a finite monopoly, not ownership.) and internet companies, but not by the general public.

It is absurdity because it provides a mechanism by which fair use can be completely restricted. It is the equivalent of saying "You are completely allowed out of your cell, provided that you do not break the lock."

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by rayiner on Monday March 04, 2013 @06:36PM (#5321785)
> Embraced by both content leasers (I refuse to say "content owners", because copyright is a finite monopoly, not ownership.) and internet companies, but not by the general public.

The way politicians see it (not without merit): embraced by 'job creators', ignored by the public, opposed by a tiny minority of people who wouldn't vote for them anyway.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by Nursie on Tuesday March 05, 2013 @05:41AM (#5323840)
"The DMCA is not a "legislative absurdity." It was embraced by both content owners and internet companies,"

And they're what's important, right?

The fact it inflicts perverse rules on everyone else is just a side effect and who cares?

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by sneak on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:46PM (#5320796)
I direct your attention to the "industrial" part of the "military-industrial complex" statement. Giant telecoms and media companies, protecting their aging and anticompetitive business models, paid large sums of money to the legislature to get laws passed to make it a criminal offense to circumvent their dying business models and to protect their entrenched positions.

So, yes, the reason that we have the DMCA is because of big content and big telecoms - a large part of the "industrial" arm of the "military-industrial complex".

Thank you, drive through.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by techpeace on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:59PM (#5320882)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex

The phrase does not apply to any industry, it refers specifically to the defense industry, of which telecoms are not a part. Otherwise, we could plausibly say that any sufficiently large business in the US is part of the "military-industrial complex," which is not the case.

So it has little, if anything, to do with the military-industrial complex.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by sneak on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:14PM (#5321018)
Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by dyno12345 on Monday March 04, 2013 @05:48PM (#5321565)
That also has nothing to do with the "military-industrial complex"

In order for that to fit the analogy, AT&T would have to have lobbied the government to create that so it could profit from it.

Re:White House Response to “Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal” by techpeace on Monday March 04, 2013 @06:02PM (#5321626)
The entire reason this was controversial was specifically because we consider telecommunications working hand-in-hand with intelligence agencies to be a violation of our basic freedoms. Had this been set up in a foreign country by KBR, it would fit within the concept of the "military industrial complex."