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Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by rdl on Monday January 28, 2013 @11:26PM (#5132318)
From experience setting something like this up 13 years ago, probably the most successful way for Antigua to do this would be to contract out to a commercial company (incorporated in Antigua, and with no US principals or assets; ideally as Antiguan as possible), for a set fee of $21mm/yr, and to keep warrants or other potential upside (say, profit sharing in years 5+ of a 10+ year contract?)

That way the company can make arbitrary amounts of money, with some value eventually accruing to Antigua, while remaining within the WTO definition.

The company could choose to value its earnings pretty much arbitrarily (either really high, based on retail price times number of downloads; or really low, based on bulk data transfer prices).

The big issue would be keeping international connectivity up -- while the WTO allows Antigua to do this, IIRC most of Antigua's Internet access is on a couple of cable systems owned by non-Antiguan companies (mainly C&W plc); the US could make life crappy for those companies. There are some international law issues with cutting off all communications and with the contracts for service on these cables otherwise, though, but it could be messy.

Ultimately it would be cheaper for the US to just give Antigua an extra $21mm/yr in foreign aid in exchange for them waiving their rights under this judgment. This could be buried in some kind of educational or bilateral trade agreement or something.

Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by Nursie on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @04:59AM (#5133170)
Ultimately it might be cheaper for everyone involved if the US just complied with the free and fair trade rules that it likes to impose on other nations, but hey, can't have everything.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by rdl on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @08:40AM (#5133857)
There would be more losses to big casino companies (headed by healthy political donors) than $21mm/yr, if they opened up online gaming.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by dade_ on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @06:45AM (#5133445)
Exactly. It will be interesting to see if this approach actually has any effect. There aren't many sticks that work on the US.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by JumpCrisscross on Monday January 28, 2013 @09:15PM (#5131984)
Sensationalist title.

"Antiguan officials say they could make up the money through the operation of a copyright haven, although what that might look like and what its scope would be remains unclear. Antiguan officials have kept details vague and the move has little precedent."

While the U.S. is is a negligible export destination for Antigua ($9.1 million in 2012 [1], or 0.8% of Antigua & Barbuda's GDP), it is a significant source of imports (17% of GDP). This could produce the seed for regulatory innovation. But concluding anything yet is extremely premature.

[1] http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c2484.html

Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by chime on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @03:39AM (#5132985)
In an indirect but personal way, I'm seriously worried about this. My name is Chirag and for well over a decade now, I've shared my life, photos, projects, and art on http://chir.ag

I know .ly domains became a concern because of political turmoil in Libya. Is there anything I can do to keep my site (10k+ visitors/day) accessible if US decides to block all .ag domains? I haven't come across any famous .ag domains unlike bit.ly for .ly. Is there a chance my site could be blocked because of the domain name? I have nightly backups of all the data but the site has become so integral to my life (in addition to my email address), that I would be heartbroken if I have to give it up.

Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by aaronbrethorst on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @04:29AM (#5133094)
You're probably ok. I think the biggest issue with .ly domains was the Libyan government deciding that certain activities[1] were unacceptable on their TLD.

I don't think the Antiguan government is going to repossess anyone's domain names.

Also, I have to say that video of your ducks terrorizing the dog and cat is adorable and hilarious :)

[1] bare arms, etc. http://techyum.com/2010/10/official-vb-ly-link-shortener-sei...

Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by vsync on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @02:42PM (#5135807)
Wow, small world! Didn't I meet you before sometime? Maybe at a Fark party in Florida?
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by chime on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @11:52PM (#5138136)
Yup. I remember you. Was it racetrack or HoJos?
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by maerek on Monday January 28, 2013 @09:11PM (#5131975)
Sounds like Antigua is threatening the nuclear option over online gambling. I'm not clear what sort of jurisdiction (or influence) the US should have regarding gambling by American citizens in other countries, but it seems the simplest solution would simply be to legalize it in the US.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by FreeKill on Monday January 28, 2013 @09:22PM (#5132004)
As a non-American, I've always wondered why online gambling is banned in the US. Is it simply because the casinos and other non-online sources were able to lobby to make it that way?
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by jlgreco on Monday January 28, 2013 @09:33PM (#5132035)
As far as I can tell, yes. This seems particularly clear in cases where states that have otherwise banned gambling run their own lotteries.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by tedunangst on Monday January 28, 2013 @10:07PM (#5132117)
I think a lot of people don't consider the lottery gambling. Gambling is like a lot of vices. People want to do it, but they don't want other people doing it near their homes. Vegas and Indian casinos appear to be the nimby equilibrium point.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by tolmasky on Monday January 28, 2013 @10:24PM (#5132159)
The hilarious part is that if the reasoning really is that one doesn't want to see it being done near their home, then online gambling is ideal. People would do it "in the privacy of their own homes", and I think you'd quickly find people preferring it to going to a building (due to ease and sheer variety). The brick and mortar places "attract riff raff" precisely because they are by definition concentrations of theoretically socially unacceptable behavior, which are then additionally usually combined with alcohol sale.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by eric-hu on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @12:15AM (#5132463)
I believe the nimby stance against gambling is that it creates poverty. An opponent with such a stance might say something to the effect of "People are only keeping this in the privacy of their own homes until they run out of money. Then they start performing crimes in our neighborhood to feed their addiction."

I don't agree with this stance, but I've heard it made before.

Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by tedunangst on Monday January 28, 2013 @10:46PM (#5132208)
Yeah, I don't really know where online gambling fits in. Though some people probably like that gambling is inconvenient because they have poor impulse control. "I want you to stop me from doing this thing I'm gonna want to do later before I regret it."
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by semanticist on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @09:09PM (#5137673)
To get a gaming licence for an online gambling game in the UK, you need to provide a mechanism to allow players to block themselves from playing.

It's not hard to make that kind of requirement, if it were the real reason online gambling is restricted.

Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by darkchasma on Monday January 28, 2013 @11:20PM (#5132302)
Not my monkey, not my circus.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by politician on Monday January 28, 2013 @11:25PM (#5132311)
Don't forget about gambling on horse and dog races.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by MacsHeadroom on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @01:53AM (#5132748)
Online gambling is not illegal in the US.

Transferring USD to an online gambling service is illegal.

Many gambling websites operate completely legally in the US using Bitcoins instead of USD.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-01-03/bitcoin-maki...

Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by Nursie on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @05:01AM (#5133176)
How long before someone gets taken down for this?

I could forsee some ambitious DA deciding that a BTC exchange was simply a way to launder dollars into online gambling and drug tokens...

Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by mblake on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @03:53AM (#5133027)
Very interesting point of view, I have never thought about it that way. I think you're right.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by squozzer on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @11:07AM (#5134687)
To use a now-trite expression, "follow the money." Expressions of moral outrage (e.g. pity the poor gambling addicts) serve mostly as a smoke screen.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by largesse on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @07:08AM (#5133535)
I always assumed it was because the US prefers that people gamble in the market rather than in the casino.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by kevin_rubyhouse on Monday January 28, 2013 @10:46PM (#5132206)
Would it be beneficial to legalize online gambling in the United States?
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by MBlume on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @01:32AM (#5132704)
Massively, yes. We could start seriously betting on real-world events. It becomes harder to make crappy predictions ("If this bill isn't passed, crime will skyrocket!") when people can just check the going odds.

ETA: Much better explanation: http://squid314.livejournal.com/352406.html

Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by whatusername on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @01:57AM (#5132754)
Interesting.

Does something like that exist in other countries?

We've got this in Australia: http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/current-affairs But it's no-where near the level that article describes.

Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by semanticist on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @09:17PM (#5137682)
I worked next to the guys from Smarkets (https://smarkets.com) for a while. It looks like they're focussing heavily on sports betting now, but they'll do politics or media things when there's interest.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by hexonexxon on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @01:45AM (#5132731)
set up your own bitcoin betting site and host it in antigua
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by arcatek on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @01:19AM (#5132675)
Not for us, apparently.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by stale on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @08:35AM (#5133834)
Reminds me of Islands in the Net by Bruce Sterling
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by squozzer on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @11:08AM (#5134696)
Antigua is obviously a haven for terrorists and trafficking in WMDs. US invasion imminent.
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by ratonofx on Tuesday January 29, 2013 @05:19AM (#5133217)
it's the biggest honey pot that i ever seen!
Re:Antigua gets OK to become copyright haven by Evbn on Monday January 28, 2013 @10:50PM (#5132220)
What happens 5 minutes after this haven opens, and the $26 million in damages is compensation and then some?