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Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by AnthonyMouse on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:03PM (#5117616)
I don't see how this would actually work. If you set up a pirate website in Antigua, congratulations, good luck competing with the million other ones that already exist. How does it hurt the U.S. in any significant way to go from a million to a million and one?

On top of that, it's not like the U.S. is going to sit around and allow it. Expect payment processors to be pressured not to process payments for the service, goods like t-shirts to be seized at the border if you actually try to export them into the U.S. or U.S. friendly nations, etc. They're already ignoring the WTO for the questionable purpose of prohibiting online gambling, you don't think they would do it for this too?

In other words, now you can set up a pirate website in Antigua... under pretty much the same conditions as you can anywhere else.

Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by Xylakant on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:21PM (#5117709)
The difference is that it's not a pirate website. It's WTO sanctioned, thus a legal offer. This would make things harder to shut down, since it's hard to argue that it should be shut down because it's a pirate site.
Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by Natsu on Friday January 25, 2013 @05:16PM (#5118011)
They have no qualms about ignoring the WTO's judgement. I'm not sure why they would quietly comply with it now. The USTR (you know, the people who negotiated ACTA) seem likely to be very against this sort of thing.

What they will do, however, remains an open question.

Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by zokier on Friday January 25, 2013 @05:18PM (#5118031)
WTO sanctioning wouldn't prevent MPAA, or even the US government labeling it as a pirate website. US probably could ban importing IP from Antigua, thus making downloading stuff from there as illegal as conventional pirating.
Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by Xylakant on Friday January 25, 2013 @05:44PM (#5118159)
Sure. However, we in Europe care little about what the mpaa says and German judges tend to be independent from the US government as well. I'd love to get legal and timely access to high hd content and would be more than happy to shell out some bucks. Europe has a financial crisis, but there's still a market here.
Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by tsotha on Saturday January 26, 2013 @04:42AM (#5119889)
>However, we in Europe care little about what the mpaa says and German judges tend to be independent from the US government as well.

They don't need to win over the German government. If the US Congress passes a law to the effect of "No US bank can do business with a bank that does business in Antigua" even European banks will stay clear.

I'm American and I would love to see a major country stand up to the US when it comes to this crazy patent and copyright stuff. But there are a lot of financial levers, and export-driven countries like Germany, Japan, and China are particularly vulnerable.

Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by wmf on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:37PM (#5117807)
AllOfMP3 was quite popular in its time because it was "legal" even though it didn't pay copyright holders.
Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by jeltz on Friday January 25, 2013 @05:16PM (#5118014)
They were legal and they did pay ROMS who can legally license any content from any artist as stated by international agreements and Russian law. This is how radio stations work but nothing prevents a website from getting the same deal as long as ROMS agrees to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Organization_for_Multi...

Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by 67726e on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:05PM (#5117626)
So if they setup a service to, let's say stream new movies, the US would have a hard time blocking a website. As for payment processors, why not bitcoin?
Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by AnthonyMouse on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:07PM (#5117638)
1) Movie streaming service is going to fall over in two seconds if you can't do regional caching of popular data.

2) Service is not going to be able to easily attract users if they only accept bitcoin.

3) Why would someone pay money to pirate movies when they can just do it for free?

Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by chx on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:29PM (#5117757)
You are not pirating movies, see. This would be a legal site where you are paying a lot less...
Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by AnthonyMouse on Friday January 25, 2013 @05:42PM (#5118144)
I guess it depends what you mean by "pirating." If you mean some thing based on morality or justice, the copyright holder is not getting their promised share of the revenue, so (regardless of how much you actually care about that) the site is in the same boat as The Pirate Bay there. If you mean "legal" then the immediate question becomes, legal where? Rojodirecta was "legal" too, remember? Didn't stop the U.S. from seizing their domain for a year and a half.[1]

What's that line? "The truth is not a bulletproof vest."

[1] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/08/government-goes-0...

Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by betterunix on Friday January 25, 2013 @10:53PM (#5119172)
"If you mean some thing based on morality or justice"

We must have stopped talking about copyrights. Copyright is a system for promoting the progress of science and useful arts, according to my country's constitution (assuming we still care about that).

"promised share of the revenue"

So much for a market-based system where businesses are not "promised" revenue.

"the site is in the same boat as The Pirate Bay there"

On the forefront of using a revolutionary communication system to deliver creative works to people, despite constant attacks by greedy anachronistic businesses who failed to adapt to a changing market?

Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by icebraining on Friday January 25, 2013 @07:35PM (#5118639)
promised share of the revenue

Promised by whom?

Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by AnthonyMouse on Friday January 25, 2013 @08:57PM (#5118885)
Congress?
Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by betterunix on Friday January 25, 2013 @10:50PM (#5119164)
"As for payment processors, why not bitcoin?"

...because only a tiny minority of anarchists trust Bitcoin? Oh sure, you can point to a few "forward thinking" (also known as "gullible") businesses that accept it, but it is not even a blip on the radar of money. The overwhelming majority of black market drug sales in the USA are done in -- you guessed correctly -- US Dollars.

If you can convince me that (a) Bitcoin is something a court will recognize as money, and not require me to convert it to dollars first, (b) that I can repay any debt with it, including taxes, and (c) that it's value today will even remotely reflect its value tomorrow, then maybe I'll accept Bitcoin payments from you. Otherwise, you'll have to give me my country's currency, because frankly, nothing else is useful to me (unless I am in another country, in which case you'll have to give me that country's currency).

Let's put it this way: it doesn't take a bunch of people commenting about the exciting US Dollar or British Pound Sterling to keep those currencies valuable. How long do you think Bitcoin would last if people stopped playing it up as the next big thing?

Re:Antigua could hit U.S. with copyright-free downloads by fnordfnordfnord on Saturday January 26, 2013 @01:15AM (#5119473)
I wouldn't say internet users "don't trust Bitcoin" I, for example don't use Bitcoin (much) for the same reason that I don't walk around in sketchy places with lots of cash. It's not that I don't trust cash. It's that I don't trust internet randoms to leave my Btc alone.