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Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by bryanlarsen on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:59AM (#50485441)
The Fed can control inflation through demand destruction. Tank the economy and throw enough people out of work so people buy less and inflation goes down.

It's like chemotherapy: it works, but it destroys so much of the rest of your body in the meantime that sometimes you wonder if the pain is worth the gain.

Trump & Congress have access to much less painful means to lower inflation, but they've refused to act.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by SoftTalker on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:01AM (#50485467)
What are some of the less painful means?
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:03AM (#50485495)
> What are some of the less painful means?

Reducing the deficit. Credit changes how private money is made through the monetary system. Fiscal policy directly creates and destroys dollars in the economy–it's fare more powerful.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by SoftTalker on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:07AM (#50485567)
Reducing the deficit by any substantial amount means cutting entitlements or raising taxes substantially. That's political suicide (not that political suicide wasn't already committed by this administration).
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by vkou on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:11AM (#50485620)
Energy prices for Joe Average can be stabilized by having non-essential users (AI data centers) subsidize everyone else through taxes or controlled rates.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:22AM (#50485773)
> subsidize everyone else

Just households. The inverse of what Germany did.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by treis on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:26AM (#50485839)
That's not realistically possible. The point of raising rates is cut usage of everyone else to free up capacity for data centers.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by vkou on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:40AM (#50486040)
It absolutely is. In a crisis, like the one we are in, the high-margin non-essential uses should subsidize the low-margin essential ones.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by treis on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:53AM (#50486220)
A crisis doesn't magically create generating capacity.

Say a system had X capacity and 100% utilization. Now someone wants to build a data center that consumes 0.1X power. Demand is now 1.1X and to prevent the system from going over capacity 0.1X of pre-existing demand has to be destroyed.

Subsidizing other users makes the problem worse because they will increase their energy usage in response to the lower prices.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:57AM (#50486289)
I'm a huge fan of a household allotment to a reasonable amount followed by market rates for everyone. We can start with water and electricity.

Every household gets X gallons of water a month at a regulated rate. After that, everyone competes equally.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by irishcoffee on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:32PM (#50488564)
Lots of people are in well water and lots of people have solar.

Regulation and increased taxes/fees just make everything more obtuse and expensive, not better or simpler.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by vkou on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:22PM (#50489110)
Simpler isn't always the thing to optimize for when people can't afford to heat their homes.

But you're right, we could also solve this problem very simply, without gradiated utility rates, by taxing the crap out of corporate profits and redistributing them to everyone else. This would punish corps who aren't building data centers, but if you don't mind turning the whole country into an AI server farm, I guess that would work too.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by SoftTalker on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:16PM (#50486567)
So you require the data center to pay for increasing generating capacity by 1.1X as part of its permitting.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by treis on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:37PM (#50486888)
They do but that also does not magically create supply.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by SoftTalker on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:41PM (#50486967)
What? Maybe I wasn't clear, but I meant that you make them pay for increasing the supply.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by treis on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:51PM (#50487119)
I understand but it takes time to build power plants. You still have the same immediate capacity problem and need to reduce demand until the new supply comes online.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by vkou on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:48PM (#50487070)
No, but energy is sold at market prices, and money is fungible and money can be moved.

Money does, in fact, create generating capacity, as expensive, idling energy sources are turned up.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:21AM (#50485761)
> Reducing the deficit by any substantial amount means cutting entitlements or raising taxes substantially

2016's $585bn DoD budget [1] bought what $817bn does today [2]. 2027's NDAA requests $1.1 trillion [3]. On top of like $100bn–on par with Saudi Arabia's military budget–we gave to ICE.

I'd generally consider myself a defence hawk. I think we should support Ukraine. I value our commitments to Korea and Taiwan. But what in the actual fuck are we doing blowing an already-bloated deficit on checks notes a WW2 battleship.

[1] https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/2016%...

[2] https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

[3] https://comptroller.war.gov/Portals/45/Documents/defbudget/F...

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by Acrobatic_Road on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:21PM (#50491572)
The elephant in the room is still Medicare and Social Security. Not only are they a much larger share of federal spending, they are growing much faster than the budget as a whole. If we froze spending on these programs today, over the long term the budget would essentially balance itself due to rising tax revenue combined with the slow grower growth of discretionary spending. The CBO models that scenario in their "payable benefits scenario". Remember, Congress has to re-authorize defense spending so the defense budget doesn't grows unless Congress wants it to. Entitlements on the other hand, are on auto-pilot!
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by bryanlarsen on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:23AM (#50485782)
The independent ability of the Fed to do unpopular things is one of the strengths of the American system. Carter paid the price politically to establish it; subsequent politicians have benefited for decades subsequent.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by gunsle on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:23AM (#50485790)
Entitlements absolutely need to be cut. It’s beyond unsustainable already and it will get worse and worse. As you’ve mentioned, it’s political suicide, so most likely nothing will change and we will keep getting massive government overspending and inflation.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:40AM (#50486048)
> Entitlements absolutely need to be cut

Or taxes raised. I'm personally a fan of adding a few and then doubling all tax brackets.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by exmicrosoldier on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:06AM (#50485544)
Easiest one, ending most of the stupid tarrifs.

Changing stupid energy policy that is propping up oil demand.

When China is selling batteries and solar below cost or at tiny profit, the federal government is effectively giving the subsidy to other countries.

When wind is the cheapest with the highest ROI we should be doing more of it.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by 0xcafecafe on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:00PM (#50486340)
For #1, didn't the court rule them as illegal? Sorry too much in the news cycles to keep tabs on.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by AnimalMuppet on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:05PM (#50487330)
If I recall correctly, the court ruled that the way Trump was doing them was illegal. So Trump started doing them via a different mechanism (or stated legal rationale, or something), and as far as I know the courts have not yet ruled on that new approach.

I don't know if the new Congress is going to be able to put a stop to this.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by vkou on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:07AM (#50485568)
End the war, end the trade war.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by kevin_thibedeau on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:20PM (#50486623)
The rich take less profit for themselves. They won't do it willingly in a system they've built for their primary benefit.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by runako on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:05PM (#50490605)
End the optional negatives: eliminate the tariffs that are working their way through the economy. End the war against Iran.

Do some positives. Work with Congress to arrive at a sane resolution to the US economy's persistent reliance on undocumented labor. (The policy of deporting all immigrants, legal or not, is inflationary.) Implement a healthcare backstop policy to guarantee access to healthcare for all citizens. (Health insurance premium inflation is running around 2x+ overall inflation.)

There are a lot of options.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:02AM (#50485480)
> tank the economy and throw enough people out of work

Rates can be raised, and demand cooled, without raising unemployment.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by derektank on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:05AM (#50485524)
Can happen doesn’t mean likely to happen. Certainly disinflation in 2022-2023 raised unemployment, and it’s by far the most likely outcome of raising rates high enough to curb inflation.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:26AM (#50485834)
> Certainly disinflation in 2022-2023 raised unemployment

Sort of [1]. Labor-force participation stayed flat until federal lay-offs and tariffs hit [2].

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE

[2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/civpart

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by hgomersall on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:13AM (#50485646)
What do you think "demand cooled" means if not increased unemployment. Its a neat way of transferring the pain to the politically weak, whilst calling it "demand cooling", or whatever the euphemism du jour is for making people unemployed. It's all about targeting the mythical NAIRU rate.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by kspacewalk2 on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:28AM (#50485850)
If you have better methods of achieving the inflation target than cooling demand with rate hikes, you ought to write to your nearest central bank.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by hgomersall on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:38PM (#50486910)
There's a well established school of thought on the issue. Here's the seminal paper: https://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Full-...

The problem is it requires the economists to realise they've dedicated their education and professional careers to the economic equivalent of the heliocentric model.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:32AM (#50485921)
> What do you think "demand cooled" means if not increased unemployment

Gross private domestic investment contributed more to output growth than personal consumption expenditure in two out of the last three quarters [1].

Reduce marginal investment, e.g. by raising the cost of borrowing for folks building datacenters, and you that demand goes away without any major shock to current employment.

[1] https://apps.bea.gov/iTable/?reqid=19&step=2&isuri=1&categor...

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by hgomersall on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:48AM (#50486156)
Why would it go away? Plenty of institutional investors are cash rich and they do very well with high interest rates.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:58AM (#50486310)
> Plenty of institutional investors are cash rich and they do very well with high interest rates

That's the point. They shift their investment into Treasuries instead of buying up land and turbines and power and GPUs. Also, as the rate goes up it gets harder to make the math math. So e.g. large construction projects get paused, et cetera.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by hgomersall on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:28PM (#50486719)
That might be the case, but those large construction projects being paused means someone losing their job. We're literally paying people to make people unemployed.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:44PM (#50487017)
> those large construction projects being paused means someone losing their job

Sometimes. Sometimes it shuffles them to other work, often less resource-intensive work. There is a lot of latent demand for construction.

We have precedence for supply shocks being cooled by rate hikes without causing an unemployment spike.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by overfeed on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:08PM (#50486441)
> e.g. by raising the cost of borrowing for folks building datacenters, and you that demand goes away without any major shock to current employment

Cue companies like Microsoft and Oracle laying off even more workers to make room for the higher AI budgets.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by bryanlarsen on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:37AM (#50485995)
Sure, if labor demand exceeds supply, unemployment will stay close to its natural bottom even in an environment of demand cooling. It's the same mechanism -- the supply/demand curve shifting. First it exhibits as wage increases slowing; then it exhibits as unemployment.

We've seen a lot of the first in 2026 -- wage increases have dropped significantly below the rate of inflation.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:39AM (#50486034)
> if labor demand exceeds supply, unemployment will stay close to its natural bottom

In the private sector. The public sector (and what I'd call non-discretionary hiring, e.g. in healthcare) makes the response a bit more inelastic.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by toomuchtodo on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:05PM (#50486413)
And healthcare hiring is only going to go up, and remain inelastic, because of an aging population (increasing demand for healthcare services).
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by jimbokun on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:52AM (#50486206)
> Trump & Congress have access to much less painful means to lower inflation, but they've refused to act.

Elaborate?

Do you mean raising taxes and cutting spending?

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by overfeed on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:13PM (#50486536)
Not OP, but some inflationary pressures were self-inflicted by the executive, and therefore can be reversed.

The levers they can pull include using diplomacy to end of the stalemate at the strait of Hormuz that is increasing energy and shipping costs. Scrapping excessive import taxes (tariffs) inflicted since "Freedom day" could help some, though prices have a ratcheting effect and retailers are likely to pocket the difference to pad their profits.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by LdBaringSwallow on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:17PM (#50486584)
Trump & most of Congress have no idea how the world works as they chose willful ignorance and fail up.

They noodle tiny decimals of percents such the financial network effects make them richer.

That’s work to them. Zero meaningful contribution. They're TV personalities who offer nothing more to humanity.