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Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:02AM (#50485480)
> tank the economy and throw enough people out of work

Rates can be raised, and demand cooled, without raising unemployment.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by derektank on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:05AM (#50485524)
Can happen doesn’t mean likely to happen. Certainly disinflation in 2022-2023 raised unemployment, and it’s by far the most likely outcome of raising rates high enough to curb inflation.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:26AM (#50485834)
> Certainly disinflation in 2022-2023 raised unemployment

Sort of [1]. Labor-force participation stayed flat until federal lay-offs and tariffs hit [2].

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE

[2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/civpart

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by hgomersall on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:13AM (#50485646)
What do you think "demand cooled" means if not increased unemployment. Its a neat way of transferring the pain to the politically weak, whilst calling it "demand cooling", or whatever the euphemism du jour is for making people unemployed. It's all about targeting the mythical NAIRU rate.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by kspacewalk2 on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:28AM (#50485850)
If you have better methods of achieving the inflation target than cooling demand with rate hikes, you ought to write to your nearest central bank.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by hgomersall on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:38PM (#50486910)
There's a well established school of thought on the issue. Here's the seminal paper: https://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Full-...

The problem is it requires the economists to realise they've dedicated their education and professional careers to the economic equivalent of the heliocentric model.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:32AM (#50485921)
> What do you think "demand cooled" means if not increased unemployment

Gross private domestic investment contributed more to output growth than personal consumption expenditure in two out of the last three quarters [1].

Reduce marginal investment, e.g. by raising the cost of borrowing for folks building datacenters, and you that demand goes away without any major shock to current employment.

[1] https://apps.bea.gov/iTable/?reqid=19&step=2&isuri=1&categor...

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by hgomersall on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:48AM (#50486156)
Why would it go away? Plenty of institutional investors are cash rich and they do very well with high interest rates.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:58AM (#50486310)
> Plenty of institutional investors are cash rich and they do very well with high interest rates

That's the point. They shift their investment into Treasuries instead of buying up land and turbines and power and GPUs. Also, as the rate goes up it gets harder to make the math math. So e.g. large construction projects get paused, et cetera.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by hgomersall on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:28PM (#50486719)
That might be the case, but those large construction projects being paused means someone losing their job. We're literally paying people to make people unemployed.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:44PM (#50487017)
> those large construction projects being paused means someone losing their job

Sometimes. Sometimes it shuffles them to other work, often less resource-intensive work. There is a lot of latent demand for construction.

We have precedence for supply shocks being cooled by rate hikes without causing an unemployment spike.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by overfeed on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:08PM (#50486441)
> e.g. by raising the cost of borrowing for folks building datacenters, and you that demand goes away without any major shock to current employment

Cue companies like Microsoft and Oracle laying off even more workers to make room for the higher AI budgets.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by bryanlarsen on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:37AM (#50485995)
Sure, if labor demand exceeds supply, unemployment will stay close to its natural bottom even in an environment of demand cooling. It's the same mechanism -- the supply/demand curve shifting. First it exhibits as wage increases slowing; then it exhibits as unemployment.

We've seen a lot of the first in 2026 -- wage increases have dropped significantly below the rate of inflation.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:39AM (#50486034)
> if labor demand exceeds supply, unemployment will stay close to its natural bottom

In the private sector. The public sector (and what I'd call non-discretionary hiring, e.g. in healthcare) makes the response a bit more inelastic.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by toomuchtodo on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:05PM (#50486413)
And healthcare hiring is only going to go up, and remain inelastic, because of an aging population (increasing demand for healthcare services).