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Re:Anthropic IPO by soundworlds on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:00AM (#50469552)
Anthropic are built on incredibly fragile ground.

Elon could pull their compute a moment's notice (not out of character for him), and NVIDIA just lost its CEO (for possibly quite illegal trade)

They also failed to make any formal communication around the Cursor Claude extension exploit a couple weeks back.

I like Claude, but I see an immature company trying to expand much faster than they are ready for.

Re:Anthropic IPO by tomrod on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:03AM (#50469595)
Sounds like Google's early days.
Re:Anthropic IPO by seki285 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:08AM (#50469672)
Do you have plans for replacing Claude?
Re:Anthropic IPO by teshier-A on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:13AM (#50469766)
There are tons. Open models + open source harness are already on par as a product and very likely to be a seamless substitute for most users.
Re:Anthropic IPO by dyarosla on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:24AM (#50469917)
On par? Hardly.

Moreover peruse any ai dev forums and you’ll see preferences towards one or the other (Claude/ChatGPT) due to capabilities.

So long as theres a felt gap between open models and frontier you will have people pay for the best of the best. Not doing so is an admission of actively handicapping yourself and not in a way that is easy to justify.

Re:Anthropic IPO by teshier-A on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:29AM (#50469999)
There are other reasons why people are using Claude/ChatGPT.

When the company is big enough, the decision doesn't rest on developers and execs are much more likely to go with established vendors -> no open models

When the company is small enough, the 200$ plans from either ant or openai are way way better value for money than anything you can get with open models. This may change in the post-IPO future.

It is as simple as that.

Re:Anthropic IPO by icedchai on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:29AM (#50470006)
Have you tested this yourself? Open models are absolutely not on par.
Re:Anthropic IPO by mschuetz on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:57AM (#50470408)
I do hope they eventually will be on pary but right now they are far behind
Re:Anthropic IPO by airstrike on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:51AM (#50470333)
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Re:Anthropic IPO by soundworlds on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:08PM (#50470592)
Every time DeepSeek come out with a new model, I am always impressed, especially with the extremely low cost compared to Claude's metered costs.
Re:Anthropic IPO by stetrain on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:12AM (#50469750)
The argument I keep seeing is that once they can reduce the spend on R&D (training new models) they will be wildly profitable.

The thing is if models become 'good enough' that the main value is in running existing models, those will quickly proliferate and be available for commodity cost from many competing providers. Why pay Anthropic when I can just pay AWS or Azure directly to run whatever future version of Qwen does the job for me?

If the value actually remains in the frontier models, you can't stop spending on training new ones or you'll eventually be left behind by your competitors and they'll capture that value.

I haven't yet seen a good explanation of how companies like OpenAI and Anthropic will make the transition to a lower cost structure while maintaining the revenue that they currently get for being on the cutting edge of LLMs.

Re:Anthropic IPO by collyw on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:21AM (#50469887)
Once they reduce the spend, many other might have caught up. Chinese models are doing a lot for a tenth of the price.
Re:Anthropic IPO by stetrain on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:37AM (#50470102)
Right. Even if they do keep the spend up, we may still soon end up at a point where a cheap open model is good enough. It could be hosted locally or provided through any of the cloud providers without any revenue going to OpenAI or Anthropic.

They have some stickiness to the tooling people are used to, but those can be overcome when there's a significant price difference for the same results.

Re:Anthropic IPO by CapmCrackaWaka on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:39PM (#50472041)
I don’t think the more is ever going to be the actual LLM’s, but the harnesses and support around them. If Anthropic can own the model and the harness setup, I could see there being some efficiency gains there that would be worth something.
Re:Anthropic IPO by zamalek on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:09PM (#50472549)
> I haven't yet seen a good explanation of how companies like OpenAI and Anthropic

By lobbying the government to coordinate a slowdown "for safety." Obviously, Chinese labs won't and will therefore will pull ahead.

There is no scenario where they could realistically stop R&D. One solution would be to have the American taxpayer pay for R&D, sold as staying ahead in the AI arms race: so I'm expecting such lobbying attempts any month now. Hopefully the recently elected representatives follow through on their promises to represent their constituents.

Re:Anthropic IPO by BadBadJellyBean on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:43AM (#50470193)
Yes that is what I think as well. They are constantly sprinting. There is no time to reap the benefits of a specific model. The next is in the pipeline because there is always someone at your heels. I don't understand how this is supposed to grow into a sustainable business.

I also worry about the compute costs. Maybe they can make a profit now but at some point the massive investments of everyone into compute must be payed back.

Re:Anthropic IPO by cman1444 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:10PM (#50470632)
The only way they win is if there's some explosion of value at the frontier that the fast-followers can't reach (AGI, RSI, whatever you want to call it), or if there's some capability/mechanism that halts the fast-followers' progress (no idea what could cause that).