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Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by haunter on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:23PM (#50383982)
As a hungarian: agent would imply a member of the secret police which have already been released years ago. These are informants, regular people like students and teachers to members of the churches to actors and musicians etc.
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by zsoltkacsandi on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:27PM (#50384038)
“identifying up to 60,000 informants”
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by haunter on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:29PM (#50384055)
The title of the article is "up to 60,000 former agents revealed"
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by zsoltkacsandi on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:31PM (#50384087)
Yes, and the first sentence used the word “informants”. See my comment above.
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by d1sxeyes on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:43AM (#50388993)
It’s a mistranslation of the Hungarian ügynök, which can indeed mean agent, but not necessarily. Here it means informant/source.

I appreciate the title is wrong, but no reason not to add the correct context.

Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by cucumber3732842 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:57PM (#50384374)
>As a hungarian: agent would imply a member of the secret police which have already been released years ago. These are informants, regular people like students and teachers to members of the churches to actors and musicians etc.

Yes and? That they did it for free instead of for pay is supposed to make it better?

Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by slibhb on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:02PM (#50384417)
And agent is not the same as informer. Whether it's better, worse, or the same is up to you.
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by lukan on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:40PM (#50385540)
"And agent is not the same as informer"

The difference is not really clear in reality and can get blurry quickly. Informants can also be ordered to do more active things to get information - or spread missinformation, or be ordered to do other active things. Simple things like luring a person to a party, or using their influence of position to prevent or make something happen (punish/promote a student/worker, make a certain result go away, ..).

So the majority were likely passive informants with the job of writing reports, but not all of them. And to me it rather would matter if they took the job voluntarily or were forced to do it.

(the main intelligence agency work),

like luring a person to a certain party, spread (wrong)information, steal certain things,

Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by wildzzz on Thursday November 05, 2026 @07:25PM (#50386546)
Agents vs informants is a venn diagram. Some informants become active participants under orders of an intelligence officer, they are instructed to use their access for further tasks. Some agents infiltrate groups and inform their handler on group activities and membership. Not all agents inform (they may perform things like sabotage or murder) and not all informants are instructed to do anything (they are paid and never contacted again).
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by perching_aix on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:05PM (#50384447)
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Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by rickdeckard on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:39PM (#50385537)
Your silence about ice cream is very telling...
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by wildzzz on Thursday November 05, 2026 @07:09PM (#50386421)
Informants are often compensated in a variety of ways. Maybe you get some cash or maybe you avoid arrest or torture in exchange for giving up someone else. Or maybe becoming an informant was a criteria for government sponsorship in academics or sports or to keep their position in a high profile career. Although some informants just do it for ego or ideological reasons. Is your neighbor annoying you with their late night clandestine meetings? Rat them out! It's unfortunate that these records don't include reasons as to why someone became an informant and what information they actually contributed, if any.
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by Shitty-kitty on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:49PM (#50387916)
Many became informants because they were approached by agents asking them to tell them everything they knew about a target. Pretending to not know anything was risky. If they discovered that you didn't tell them about something you should have known, it was your ass that got sent to a re-education camp.
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by d1sxeyes on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:49AM (#50389019)
That information may come in spring when the B files drop.
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by charlieyu1 on Friday November 06, 2026 @03:12AM (#50389536)
There are several Chinese informants caught in the last few years in Western countries, a lot was just doing it for ideological reasons, the monetary reward really doesn’t match the troubles involved and the severity of the crime
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by Grimeton on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:09PM (#50384484)
>1, this should have been released long ago cause many of these people are already dead.

Best that can happen. People will be disappointed but that's it. If the IMs are still alive it can get really ugly really quick.

Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by TacticalCoder on Thursday November 05, 2026 @07:16PM (#50386474)
> Now everyone have to decide on their own what to believe or not.

I decide to believe that communism doesn't look like a nice system and I decide to believe that I really don't believe those saying: "this time we'll make communism work".

Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by viraptor on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:47PM (#50387911)
Watch out who you assign that idea to though. My grandfather (taking some part in local resistance) was sent to a soviet camp due to a neighbour "informant". He told the family not to bother the neighbour - the information/signatures would be likely forced. Yet that neighbour "informant" could likely end up on one of lists like this.
Re:Hungary: Communist-era files released, up to 60k former a... by christkv on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:59PM (#50388411)
The rest is history just recently did two episodes of the Hungarian Revolution which I think were really good https://therestishistory.com/episodes/the-hungarian-uprising... but I’m not Hungarian obviously so i don’t know if it covers it well or not.