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Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by curt15 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:32PM (#50381873)
> and it'll make significant changes to how the code works to pacify it's anxiety with copying code

"Anxiety" is an odd rationalization of a tool refusing to follow user commands.

Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by thelaxiankey on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:12PM (#50382318)
It's a tool but it's not a strict computer program, and the language we use for computer programs doesn't capture their behavior well. In squishier fields like bio, where model organisms are used as living protein factories, there's a reason we don't call maladaptive behavior a bug. When dealing with useful but complicated black-box systems, we should feel free to reach for any metaphor we please.

Would it make you feel better if the user said 'It'll make significant changes to how the code works. In the COT, it brings up explanations that resemble anxiety about copying code, and my suspicion is that this is the proximal cause of the changes it's making.' -- this is inarguably true, and very likely what the guy you're responding to meant.

Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by ahtihn on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:26PM (#50382557)
It very obviously is a strict computer program. It's a program executed by a computer, what else could it be?
Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by Dylan16807 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:06PM (#50383030)
It's a blob of data where only 1% of it was written with intent and the behavior of mimicking text has to be wrangled and coaxed far more than with a normal program.

That's the rough intent of putting the word "strict" into that sentence.

Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by robrorcroptrer on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:33PM (#50385460)
What is the difference to meat brains?
Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by jack_pp on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:33PM (#50387832)
I mean you can try to threaten ssh with it's kids lives but I doubt it'll let you log in.
Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by thelaxiankey on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:13AM (#50388476)
I mean besides the fact that it's, by construction, pseudorandom?
Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by columk on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:56PM (#50384362)
It's misalignment. Call that a bug if you like, but it's a different concept.
Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by btown on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:02PM (#50385111)
We can argue about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room all day... but when a thinking trace repeatedly says things like "Wait, should I avoid copying this directly?" despite a simple instruction, it's hard to describe that as anything other than "anxiety."
Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by kolinko on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:28PM (#50385393)
It has been shown that advanced llms have internal flags that behave more or less the same as emotions.
Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by efskap on Thursday November 05, 2026 @07:07PM (#50386398)
No way, this presupposes sentience in LLMs, because emotions are subjectively felt experiences.

It's completely different from encoding a relationship between an emotion and what kind of language it tends to coincide with.

Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by cowlevel on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:51PM (#50387924)
It doesn't matter for this purpose whether it "actually feels" or not. It is modelling emotions because the training data models emotions because it comes from humans that have emotions, and that's a fact.
Re:GPT-6 Astra covertly underperforms on safety research by tehnub on Thursday November 05, 2026 @08:55PM (#50387179)
Seems perfectly cromulent to me. Do you think something is obscured or miscommunicated by this description? Of course it's a poetic way of writing, but it gets the point across.