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Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:06PM (#50381570)
Odd to see Gemini promoted alongside GrapheneOS. One is effectively handing your life to the Google surveillance platform, the other encourages the opposite. What a strange partnership.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by Ritewut on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:41PM (#50381960)
It's not. Some people have a threat model that includes being okay with AI.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by gonzalohm on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:51PM (#50382080)
What's the overlap for that people with Graphene OS users?

You are going through the trouble of installing a privacy first OS and the first thing you do is handle your data to AI companies? That's pretty odd

Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by grapheneos on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:55PM (#50382122)
The post is about the overall launch of the device, not only official GrapheneOS support for it. They have their own OS with Google Mobile Services. They've made sure the device will meet all of our requirements and are helping us develop and maintain support for it. It's not the main OS for it.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by nvme0n1p1 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:07PM (#50384467)
I have a few questions if you have a second: Is this post about the overall launch of the device, or only official GrapheneOS support for it? Do they have their own OS with Google Mobile Services? Have they made sure the device will meet all of your requirements and are they helping you develop and maintain support for it? Will GrapheneOS be the main OS for it?
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:55PM (#50382120)
Being ok with AI is not the same as being ok with Google - one of the most privacy invading companies on the planet - though...
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by grapheneos on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:55PM (#50382125)
The post is about the overall launch of the device, not only official GrapheneOS support for it. They have their own OS with Google Mobile Services. They've made sure the device will meet all of our requirements and are helping us develop and maintain support for it. It's not the main OS for it.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by grapheneos on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:54PM (#50382114)
The post is about the overall launch of the device, not only official GrapheneOS support for it. They have their own OS with Google Mobile Services. They've made sure the device will meet all of our requirements and are helping us develop and maintain support for it. It's not the main OS for it.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:00PM (#50382185)
Please stop spamming this response everywhere. Yes I understand they are just promoting their phone. It doesn't negate what I said in any way.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by HybridStatAnim8 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:05PM (#50382229)
It does negate what you said. It does not make the partnership strange.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:15PM (#50382365)
In what way? Please elaborate.

The word strange as defined by the dictionary is "different from what is usual, ordinary, or expected".

You have a large publicly traded corporation advocating using a platform known for large privacy intrusions. This same corporation has partnered with a team that is providing a mechanism for fighting against those privacy intrusions. That is unexpected. I never said it was good or bad, just that it is strange.

Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by cromka on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:21PM (#50382466)
> What a strange partnership.

This is the problem. Did you expect grapheneos to somehow convince a major manufacturer to release a flagship phone JUST for grapheneos?

WHAT do you find strange in that relationship? Motorola offered to support some of their phones to install Grapheneos and maybe a dedicated phone sometime down the line. This particular phone is the former.

You're seriously being irrational here. Maybe make your point exactly first because it's hard to tell what is it.

Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by hypfer on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:16PM (#50383901)
No offense, but your writing is indistinguishable from writing I know first hand from genuinely harmful and dangerously unstable people.

If you do that in your own space - fine. No one has to come into your space. If someone does, it is their choice. They've signed up for that.

However, coming into other spaces like this is a big no.

I can see the argument that someone "negatively" talked about your stuff, but not only is the negative here in big quotes, but also the "your stuff" is in quotes, and, regardless of that, the weapon of choice is frightening overkill and it is overkill basically every single time.

Can you please please please tone it down a bit. You're making people very uncomfortable, which is not in spirit of this platform nor within their rules.

... nor ethical, for that matter.

Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by HybridStatAnim8 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:23PM (#50382494)
Having a stock operating system certified by google is usual/ordinary/expected. That is how pixel support worked for many years. This approach is borderline necessary as paying an ODM directly is very expensive and loses out on several benefits.

Motorola stands to make a lot of money from this. They need to improve hardware but they benefit from that hardware. They likely provide early access but they already have that access themselves. From Motorolas perspective, they take on very little risk, if any, to tap into a market that has since been ignored, for existing GrapheneOS users, prospective GrapheneOS users, and for alternative OS users that benefit from yellowboot support. This is the most ordinary approach that could have been taken.

Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by sam1714 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:30PM (#50382607)
Motorola Solutions != Motorola Mobility.

Motorola Solutions, the radio and public safety company, was split from the phone company shortly before Google purchased the phones in 2012.

There's no way the largest provider of police radios in the US and EU would be owned by a Chinese company.

Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:37PM (#50382707)
Ah I did not know this. Thanks for pointing it out.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by grapheneos on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:52PM (#50382858)
Motorola was split into Motorola Solutions and Motorola Mobility in 2011. Everyone who owned the Motorola stock ended up owning both initially. Motorola Solutions kept the original stock ticker and Motorola Mobility kept ownership of the Motorola trademarks. Motorola Solutions uses the Motorola trademark under a perpetual license only permitting them to use it for the areas they already sold products. Motorola Solutions had more need for the original legal entity due to government contracts and Motorola Mobility had more need for the trademark due to selling retail products.

Motorola Mobility was purchased by Google in 2011 and sold to Lenovo in 2014. Motorola Mobility is still based in the US but is well integrated as Lenovo's mobile division. The devices are made by Lenovo with their in-house assembly/manufacturing and external supply chain rather than the typical setup of a western company paying another company to build devices for them.

Motorola Mobility sells smartphones and tablets mainly via retail. Motorola Solutions sells cameras, radios and drones mainly via government contracts. They're entirely separate companies with no business partnership. Motorola Mobility can use the Motorola brand for anything but Motorola Solutions would need to pay for a license to use it for new product lines.

Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by grapheneos on Thursday November 05, 2026 @09:59PM (#50387622)
> would need to pay for a license to use it for new product lines

Also, Motorola Mobility would have no obligation to accept it.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1495569/000119312510...

Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by cromka on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:18PM (#50382409)
I think it's you who are nitpicking here and somehow you expect the acusee not to defend themselves?
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:22PM (#50382476)
Defend from what? I haven't accused Graphene of anything. In fact I support the platform entirely.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by cromka on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:25PM (#50382532)
You said it's s strange relationship. That's pretty accusatory. Please don't gaslight us.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:33PM (#50382643)
Dude I don't know what to tell you. Go look at my post history, I'm not the gaslighting type. I explained my reasoning. Maybe I just have to concede here that I can't articulate my thoughts the way I'm intending to.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by cromka on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:56PM (#50382918)
GrapheneOS partering with any manufacturer would be just as weird. They cannot have a non-weird partnership at this point because they're a niche product. So whoever is the manufacturer that agrees to work with them, they have to sell that grapheos-friendly phone to ordinary, Googled people as well to actually make money. No manufacturer is a charity here.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by rendaw on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:32AM (#50388578)
There is absolutely nothing accusatory about "strange relationship". Is this some regional slur?
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by sidm0623 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:16PM (#50382379)
Do you have a source that Gemini is partnered with GOS? I dont see it anywhere
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:19PM (#50382437)
Apologies, I should have clarified I meant the partnership between GrapheneOS and Motorola.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by lern_too_spel on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:52PM (#50383594)
This is a Pixel 11 Pro XL killer. Better specs and runs the same software for normal users, but it also can run GrapheneOS like a Pixel.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by Andrex on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:37PM (#50384801)
Why is it strange? They're successfully addressing both ends of the market with one product. That's efficient.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by newsy-combi on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:24PM (#50385357)
Those are the two sides of the market? AI addicts and privacy enthusiasts? Doubtful. Most people want an internet terminal that doubles as a strong digital camera, I think.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by ThePowerOfFuet on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:28PM (#50385395)
Gemini and GrapheneOS will not run at the same time. You pick either Google+Moto Android with Gemini and friends, or GrapheneOS.
Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by johnsea on Friday November 06, 2026 @07:40AM (#50391648)
Do Google server business and Gemini (paid) belong to the "surveillance platform"?

I don't think so. And don't see a problem running GrapheneOS and using paid Gemini as long as the latter is properly separated. (This said, I use other AI atm).

Re:Motorola Signature 27 with GrapheneOS support by MrDrMcCoy on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:39PM (#50397302)
They very definitely do. Everything you let Google touch is used for their ads and AI training, and is subject to flimsy government search requests. Their pinkie promises to respect your privacy are worth as much as the gum on the bottom of my shoe.