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Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by cperciva on Thursday November 05, 2026 @09:57AM (#50379875)
The hard part came next. Larsen spent about 45 hours layering the individual photos – each of which contained about 25 satellites – over one another, using Adobe Photoshop. Much of the time was spent painstakingly erasing stars, to reveal the satellites.

This is less an "image of our satellite-choked night skies" and more "a completely mendacious image produced using Photoshop".

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by Kevin_Flynn on Thursday November 05, 2026 @09:59AM (#50379901)
It did say he was a photographer, not an astronomer.

Surely an astronomer would have software for this that would produce a more accurate picture.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by cperciva on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:00AM (#50379937)
An astronomer would presumably not erase the stars.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by misnome on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:06AM (#50380013)
Actually, this is pretty common for non-scientific astrophotography! Erase Stars -> Edit background and stars colour, contrast etc separately -> Recombine!
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by SiempreViernes on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:44AM (#50380550)
Why not? Stars are boring, the cool things are galaxies.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by cgriswald on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:51AM (#50381392)
Perhaps ironically there are times when astronomers “erase” galaxies. Erasing things is routine to get at the things you want.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by Kevin_Flynn on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:46AM (#50381338)
I was thinking the field of astronomy would need to survey the satellites, in order to make sure it doesn't interere with any of their observations of the stars.

So, they would erase the stars, but only to create a satellite mask, generally speaking.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by misnome on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:08AM (#50380050)
Almost any astronomy processing software does this for free, because when you stack a whole load of images it rejects outlier pixels (e.g. a trail present on only one image out of hundreds).

It then usually gives you an image of both the combined success, and an image of just those pixels that were rejected. So, this.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by jpardoe on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:06AM (#50380008)
Has he not heard of AI?
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:08AM (#50380036)
The point of the image is to make a point. Art is provocative. Our skies are choked as anyone who makes Astro images will tell you.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by hparadiz on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:10AM (#50380074)
I really like the photo and what it represents. We're growing as a civilization and I think that's beautiful.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:36AM (#50380445)
Meanwhile I’d like to be able to enjoy the stars without Elon’s shit in my face. Can’t wait for the Coca Cola advertisements some day.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by hparadiz on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:41AM (#50380506)
The rest of us enjoy having high speed internet globally.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by happytoexplain on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:50AM (#50380637)
"Rest of us" is not a reasonable phrase here. You do not speak for the global population. It's not everybody vs bix6.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:04AM (#50380855)
At what cost amigo?
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by vlyan on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:40AM (#50381276)
le heckin' wholesome EU wants to do the same thing.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by Aurornis on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:30AM (#50380347)
> Art is provocative

The misleading part is that readers don’t see that it’s provocative art until you carefully read the details. It’s presented like documentary evidence of what the problem looks like.

The photographer might not have intended it this way, but the writers of this post took advantage of that.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:34AM (#50380424)
The first sentence literally says it’s a multi image composite so…
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by Aurornis on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:50AM (#50380632)
That’s not the misleading part. You don’t need an explanation to see that it’s a composite.

The misleading part is where he edited out the stars by hand.

> Much of the time was spent painstakingly erasing stars, to reveal the satellites.

The photographer wasn’t misleading. He made a cool photo. The headline is misleading.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by happytoexplain on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:56AM (#50380736)
There's nothing misleading about removing light sources to reveal other light sources. You're speaking as though they erased all the sky's stars. The image is full of stars. This is petty.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by Aurornis on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:12AM (#50380934)
I’m quoting the article where the photographer erased the stars from the frames:

> Much of the time was spent painstakingly erasing stars, to reveal the satellites.

These aren’t my words. It’s what the article says!

The final image appears to have a frame of stars added for effect, but they are dots rather than arcs because they’re from a single exposure. The satellite trails are a composite of all of the images, with the stars removed.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:00PM (#50382965)
Do you understand how composite images work and why they are used?
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:00AM (#50380788)
Clearly you do since everyone is up in arms about making a composite image. There are still a bunch of stars in the image.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by 38295gksnf9588 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:08AM (#50380039)
It’s called art.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by happytoexplain on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:10AM (#50380063)
You are being uncharitable. There is nothing misleading about this, or any other, nightsky timeseries image. It claims to show the paths of satellites over 2 hours, and that's what it does. You have to edit things like this to reveal the signal and keep relatively constant elements from overwhelming the result. Astronomers do this exact same thing (erasing things that obscure the subject over time).
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by jebarker on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:18AM (#50380181)
I have no problem with the image and it illustrates a real phenomena. There is something slightly misleading about it though: if you point a camera in the same direction for 2 hours, take many images and then layer the images you wouldn't have a static star background like is shown here. You'd only get that star background if you used a star tracker and kept pointing at the same place in the night sky but then the foreground would be changing.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by Aurornis on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:27AM (#50380301)
The image itself is interesting, but the context in which it’s presented in this article is dishonest.

The headline is the worst offender, saying that the skies are “choked” with satellites.

The headline is misleading. The photo alone is interesting with the right context.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by wat10000 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:32AM (#50380372)
The guy who actually made the image seems to just think it's cool: "I knew if I carried on it would look even better and more impressive in terms of satellite numbers."

But the framing from others is terrible. "Who gave anyone permission do this?" Um, every single satellite ever launched has gone through government approvals. Sorry if you didn't start paying attention to the world of space flight until it ruined your attempt at photography, but that's on you.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:40AM (#50380496)
lol what. Regular citizens don’t get a say on satellites and many would prefer we didn’t put so many up. “National Security” will trump any citizen concerns every time.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by pintxo on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:45AM (#50380552)
To be fair, the majority of satellites now seems to exist because "money" will trump any citizen concerns every time.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:57AM (#50380760)
Agreed, I should’ve added that as the other overriding case
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by wat10000 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:38PM (#50382722)
In other words, millions of people not only want those satellites to be there, but are willing to part with some of their hard-earned cash to make it happen.

This isn't some nefarious plot to manipulate the market or irradiate all the gold in Fort Knox or something. That scare-quoted "money" comes from providing useful services to people who want to pay for them. Yes, it turns out that millions of people wanting high-speed communication for their rural homes trumps people who get angry that they have to run their astrophotography through some software.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:58PM (#50382941)
Sorry which regular rural people are parting with their cash to launch satellites?
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by wat10000 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:04PM (#50383004)
There's this service called Starlink which currently accounts for the majority of satellites in orbit. Starlink uses those satellites to provide internet access to subscribers on the ground. They have several million paying customers. Their service isn't particularly competitive in most urban areas where more traditional internet services are cheaper and faster, but there are lots of rural areas where they're by far the most competitive option, so that's where most of these subscribers are found.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by wat10000 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:46AM (#50380564)
Not sure how you saw "government" and read it as "regular citizens," but do go back and read it again.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:57AM (#50380757)
Exactly. The regular citizens don’t get to participate in the decision.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by wat10000 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:52PM (#50382861)
Are we suddenly acting surprised at the concept of representative government?

I don't understand what people actually want to happen here. Part of living on a planet with eight billion other people is dealing with the fact that some of them are going to do things you don't like. Governments, treaties, and international organizations are how we manage it. I understand if people disagree with the specific process that's in place for these things, or disagree with the decisions that get made, but they're acting like there isn't any process, or they somehow deserve to be personally consulted as part of it.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by bix6 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:59PM (#50382951)
In what world is Elon getting to blanket the sky with tens of thousands of satellites a representative government?
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by krapp on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:01PM (#50382979)
He's a private citizen and he's allowed to do it because it isn't illegal.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by happytoexplain on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:11PM (#50385210)
Using legality to defend against a criticism that we don't live in a representative system is circular logic.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by krapp on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:43PM (#50385564)
No it isn't, because in a representative system what is legal is a function of the will of the people who elect the representatives to write and vote on laws. It's legal because the people don't care enough to have it be otherwise, and so the representative system reflects that.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by wat10000 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:28PM (#50385402)
Are you suggesting that a representative government would certainly disallow such a thing? Why?
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by happytoexplain on Thursday November 05, 2026 @07:59PM (#50386829)
The suggestion is not that the number of satellites certainly would be fewer if the system was more representative, but rather that it is not fully representative, and if it were, the number would probably be fewer. It's just simple universal problem of money putting a thumb on the scale in representative governments.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by wat10000 on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:51AM (#50394874)
"In what world" conveys extreme certainty to me. In any case, why would it even be probably? What's the theory which concludes that it would be unlikely for a representative government to allow a company to operate 11,000 satellites? People like the above commenter express outrage but seem unable to express why they're outraged. I guess it's supposed to be obvious, but I don't get it. It's some moving dots in the night sky. I get why astrophotographers would be annoyed. But it's a massive leap from that to saying it should have been outlawed.

I 100% agree that there's a problem of money putting a thumb on the scale. But I don't understand why that would even be relevant here. As far a I've seen (I'm not an expert but I have been following SpaceX since before they put anything into orbit) there has been no undue political influence in getting Starlink authorization to launch their constellation. We live in a system where things are permitted by default. There's no reason for the FAA or the FCC or whatever other regulatory bodies to deny it. Musk is gleefully using his money to put his thumb on the scale in other areas (spending nine figures in the recent elections is obscene) but why would he even have bothered here?

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by wolvoleo on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:21PM (#50381733)
There's another point: most of these satellites by far have been approved by the US, nobody else had any say in them. Right now the way it works is that approval is granted by the launching nation only.

As it clearly affects the whole world there should be some kind of international body governing it IMO. But I doubt that will happen because most nations are instead racing to get similar swarms of satellites up.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by wat10000 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:58PM (#50382949)
Most countries are party to the Outer Space Treaty, which specifically sets it up that way. An actual international organization would probably make sense now that space activity is ramping up so much, but it's not as if the current state of things is an accident the way "Who gave anyone permission do this?" implies.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by boxed on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:34AM (#50380414)
If you do the exact opposite then? You take a very long exposure and you mask away the satellite trails and post the image as "image of how the satellites don't pollute the sky".. that's the exact same thing in reverse.

Both can't be non-misleading right?

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by fooker on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:48AM (#50380611)
No it is correct. I dabble in astrophotography.

The purpose of stacking hundreds of photos is to get rid of noise and unwanted trails like this.

The effort involved here is to go out of your way to do the exact opposite, specifically make sure things that are in a single exposure show up in the stack.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by ryandvm on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:26AM (#50381101)
Somehow you also seem to be missing the point.

You stack photos to enhance clarity and remove noise. Your work is not "mendacious".

But what you are removing is still data - and as you can see, some people find it to be very interesting.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by fooker on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:49PM (#50382061)
The issue is not with the fact that it is data, it is the fact we are collapsing two dimensions in this projection. First the time spread to a moment, and then 3D to 2D.

You can make data say anything by doing that.

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by ImPostingOnHN on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:19AM (#50381011)
> You have to edit things like this to reveal the signal

In this case, it seems like a desired noise was selectively amplified above signal level to portray an artificially low signal-to-noise ratio, with the article concluding "look at all this noise!"

Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by ryandvm on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:11AM (#50380086)
I don't understand. Are you laboring under the impression that the artist is trying to convince people that this is what the night sky looks like at any given moment? What even are you upset about?
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by ktm5j on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:29AM (#50380329)
The photographer was completely transparent about how the image was produced and what it means.. how you manage to color this as dishonest is beyond me.
Re:Image of Our Satellite-Choked Night Skies by sega_sai on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:52AM (#50380666)
These are actual images from a telescope with no photoshop: https://noirlab.edu/public/images/iau-ann19035a/ https://noirlab.edu/public/images/iotw1946a/

The image in the original post is not too far from what you get with an actual telescope.