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Re:Coffee's new status symbol is a machine without plastic by hedora on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @11:11PM (#50375074)
If you want to save fewer bucks, get to zero plastic and get better espresso, you can buy one of these and a burr grinder:

https://flairespresso.com/products/the-flair-classic

I've had one for about a decade. It reliably produces better espresso than >99% of Bay Area coffee shops. (>95% if you exclude national chains).

If I were buying one today, I'd toss the flow control head, silicon sleeve on the cylinder and the pressure gauge, but those come with it for free now, so to each their own, I guess.

The trick is to boil the stainless steel cylinder in your kettle (PID at sea level, conventional above ~ 2000 ft elevation) with the water so that you get the temperature dialed in within a degree C or so, like a conventional (lead-filled, unlike the flair) Italian machine. I use a pair of tongs to pick up the stainless steel cylinder, so I don't need the sleeve. (Check the boiling point of water at your elevation -- unlike a steam machine, this can't exceed that temperature, so stuff might start to run kinda cool at 3000 ft or so).

Flair doesn't sell a "true" classic anymore, but I bet they could get the bare bones variant I use to < $100 if they tried. Maybe someone else will when any patents run out. My only other complaint is that the two-in-one bottomless porta-filter I have runs the espresso across plastic when in non-bottomless mode. Note that the thing I linked has a plastic plunger. They make a stainless steel one. At that point, you're down to one silcone o-ring in the water / coffee path.

Re:Coffee's new status symbol is a machine without plastic by senderista on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:11AM (#50376103)
I've tried the Flair and I find the Aeropress much less fussy.
Re:Coffee's new status symbol is a machine without plastic by lerchmo on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:54AM (#50376379)
Aeropress cannot really do an espresso at a full 7,8 or 9 bar. It’s more like a pour over.
Re:Coffee's new status symbol is a machine without plastic by amanaplanacanal on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:30AM (#50377084)
I'm guessing the Flair can't either. That "pressure gauge" is hilarious.
Re:Coffee's new status symbol is a machine without plastic by Kirby64 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:21AM (#50381041)
You'd be wrong. The 'espresso' window is 6-9 bar of pressure. It's not very hard to build that much pressure, really. I have a pump based manual hand espresso brewer (the Picopresso) and it hits that pressure just fine from an even simpler mechanism.
Re:Coffee's new status symbol is a machine without plastic by hedora on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:48AM (#50381362)
The Flair can definitely hit espresso pressure; I get excellent crema from it. As I said above, the biggest limit is high-altitude temperature regulation. Water boils at espresso temperature at ~ 2000' elevation, so if you're above that you cannot control the water temperature. With a pressurized machine, you can go as hot as you want.
Re:Coffee's new status symbol is a machine without plastic by Melatonic on Friday November 06, 2026 @03:02AM (#50389466)
What about the OXO press thing ?
Re:Coffee's new status symbol is a machine without plastic by bayindirh on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:26AM (#50376615)
Aeropress is accelerated drip coffee. It's not espresso by any means.
Re:Coffee's new status symbol is a machine without plastic by filcuk on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:01AM (#50376885)
I hve either never had a good espresso or genuinely can't tell the difference between that as americano and an aeropress/v60. Probably best for me not to spend any more on these machines with my unrefined palette
Re:Coffee's new status symbol is a machine without plastic by bayindirh on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:50AM (#50377245)
Honestly, I'd not be that hard on myself, and making bad espresso is easy in comparison to making a good one, but you don't need to go influencer levels of sophisticated spectacle to get good espresso either.

A good espresso/americano has more bite in taste than a good Aeropress/V60/drip. I personally love smoother profiles (less acidity, less bite, etc.), so darker roasts and espresso on the bitter side is not my kind of thing, but preferences differ. OTOH, I can make myself a cup of instant coffee if I feel lazy.

Again, there's no need to punch yourself like that. Try, experiment and build your taste profile. These kinds of hobbies needs some kind of experience to refine what you like and what you don't.

Most importantly, don't let anyone's taste dictate yours and vice versa. I never get upset just because how someone I know prefers their coffee way different than mine, but they insist that I shouldn't drink that coffee, because that doesn't fit their taste preferences.

There's no wrong, but only things you like. You can't fail at this, because there's no way to do so.