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Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by flossly on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @04:01PM (#50371459)
Wow... I'd like to know more. 40 analysts not spending 100USD/month is 4k/month saved. That means you break even in 27 months. But you probably used Claude much more than that.

Also what harness do you use? Any problems you encountered on the way?

Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by trentor on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @04:13PM (#50371617)
Oh boy... we are talking about insane token spends in corps at the moment. 100$ is a blip.
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by cute_boi on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @04:27PM (#50371808)
I think you should compare with api cost? I am using $200 plan and it is probably around $12k in token cost....
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by somenameforme on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:50PM (#50374934)
Yip... I thought these numbers were absurdly exaggerated since I'm on a sub plan, until Anthropic gave the $50 credit back in the Fable days. I burnt through that in a couple of hours.

It's one of the many reasons this is all obviously just a bubble. Cloud gouges people, but it's a relatively small gouge that doesn't scale. API token costs are just LOL and an LOL that scales up with everything. As soon as the novelty of LLMs starts to fade and they become just an integrated part of society, there's going to be a rug pull, but in reverse.

Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by codedokode on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:28AM (#50377488)
Are $12K worth of token guaranteed or the company may adjust token generation speeds?
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by FuriouslyAdrift on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @04:29PM (#50371840)
Just one of our analysts was burning around 30-40 million tokens per project.

EDIT: per project, not per month

EDIT 2: digging out an old bill from 8 months ago when we bought the server, $14k per month is what we were running and it was going up, a lot.

Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by Moto7451 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @04:39PM (#50371929)
Anthropic is very good at either convincing or forcing (I’m not sure which) companies to pay for tokens rather than for subscriptions. My old job moved from subs to tokens and everyone started running out of budget mid month. It was a bad move for a company that laid off all of QA and 2/3 of Engineering and committed to everyone making up for it with LLMs.
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by mosselman on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:13PM (#50372257)
I don't get this, why do people pay for API tokens at all? What is the reasoning?
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by mattnewton on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:33PM (#50372422)
Zero Data Retention is the big one I think (and also the ToS don't allow multiple personal accounts for businesses anyways)
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by rat9988 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @06:45PM (#50373017)
They don't have the choice to begin with
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by ghshephard on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:21PM (#50374748)
I don't think Anthropic or OpenAI offer subscriptions to enterprises - it's a hobbyist/solo-entrepreneur kind of thing. I seem to recall SpaceXAI had some kind of hack going where they were trying to use subs with Anthropic and then got cut off.

Enterprises also need very stringent IP protections that you don't get through the subscriptions. Even the Anthropic-API per token license isn't great - sometimes you need to go to 3rd parties like AWS Bedrock to get guarantees regarding no multi-tenant GPUs.

Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by darkwater on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:28AM (#50376207)
You can have subscriptions up to 150 seats with Anthropic.
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by ghshephard on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:56PM (#50385721)
Ah - so I was somewhat, but not totally wrong. They do offer subs to SMB (I did not know this!) - but for the Enterprise (typically in thousands to tens of thousands) directed through other channels.
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by kay_o on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @11:37PM (#50375244)
You are forbidden from the subscriptions on enterprise
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by bonoboTP on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:38AM (#50376276)
Claude Teams exists.
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by KptMarchewa on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:20AM (#50377005)
No Zero Data Retention there.
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by dools on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:30AM (#50375886)
I have only ever paid for tokens and never used subscriptions because I need to know that I can generate sufficient real world value at the true cost of inference.
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by vidarh on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:20AM (#50380223)
This seems like setting money on fire. Nothing stops you from tracking token use on your subscriptions and tracking how much you would spend via APIs for if/when you can't use a sub any more, and taking the savings in the meantime.
Re:Kimi K3.1 Pro weights out by dools on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:22PM (#50408620)
If the stakes aren't real your behaviour won't change