The person you’re replying to didn’t say “every” or even “most”. They said “me”. There’s no argument or stereotype being invoked at all.

> like who are we kidding, the type of nerds who were attracted to math and software were into it because we saw it as an art-form, it was a craft,

That doesn’t say anything about anyone’s opinion on managing. The section in question switches to “I” extensively

Good for you.

I'm not an introvert and have worked under plenty of bad managers, I don't want to be a manager and wouldn't be a good one - I make stuff with code.

> Please stop this argument that every (or even most) software engineers is an introvert who loves the code typing part of the job.

That argument was not made.

Completely incidentally, reasoning and reading skills are a use-it-or-lose-it deal.

> I reject your anecdote and respond with my own!

Can we not just agree that, as with everything else, the type of person who falls into this career also falls on a spectrum.

I don't see it as mutually exclusive that both type of engineers exist and both are equally deserving of their takes on the situation.

You've misunderstood. It has nothing to do with typing or being an introvert. At least for me. It describes me. I don't think I'm an introvert and I don't particularly like typing. But the post you're responding to describes me.

I am in a similar bucket like you. I like reverse engineering but the tedious and boring stuff between an idea and implementation made me drop so many projects.

Like I see a hole in a firmware and I want to dump the firmware, but then I start hitting the bland stuff like what is the ABI for this hole, how should you compose payload without watchdog kicking me out. Oh this datasheet is garbage. This reference manual makes no sense. Ok that's because it is for a same processor, different lockstep. Why am I fighting with stack on this processor? When you should use star and ampersand for manipulation of pointers in C? Oh writing a linker script a little frustrating horror. No ld we don't have RO data, only code, stop inserting it. Now let's strip it and I have payload.

This would take me days to get through while with AI I can make dozens of iterations in matter of one day.

I’m both somehow.

Coding since 12, pretty introverted as a teenager and went the usual compsci route. Spent a lot of my free time hacking on OSS projects.

Then got into engineering management, similar to you I’d o enjoy mentoring and the more strategic aspects of the role.

But I dislike using AI for coding, it really ruined the fun for me. That fun being entirely eroded made it easier to commit to the management path (I did the IC-Management pendulum for some years).

Managers are the barrier to personal development and career advancement but labelled as the opposite. So yeah, if you enjoy "power" and gatekeeping this is the best door to be.

I agree. The part I enjoyed was designing interesting solutions to problems, the coding itself was often tedious. Now I can just focus on the fun and creative part.

> Now I can just focus on the fun and creative part.

Why? The LLM can do that too? If not now, just wait a few months.

It can't really do it yet, but if it will, then it's out of my control and I'll have to find another job.

Or no job. I feel like so many people are stuck in the current capabilities of the models they use - what happens if AI ends up surpassing humans in all domains? Not saying that's guaranteed but it's certainly possible, and I feel like so many folks telling optimistic stories about how "AI focuses on the tedious stuff" have not really grasped with the implications of much more advanced AI.

I think I'm pretty aware of the implications. It's just not something I have control over. But right now, I'm enjoying getting stuff done. If they eventually take my job or upend civilization, it's going to happen whether I use them or not.

Oh, introverts like "code typing" now?

No, introverts write, design, prove and generously release the open source software that talkers like you exploit.

I bet you have never written anything substantial, much less open sourced it and stuff your LinkedIn with that fake resume.

> the code typing part of the job

I have trouble imagining you misread the comment you were replying to, that badly, accidentally.

Especially someone who claims interpersonal skills as a strength.

Are you an idiot, or merely being obtuse on purpose?