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Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by Nition on Saturday October 17, 2026 @06:43PM (#50135856)
I feel like the harms were really drilled into Millennials like myself but then we seem to have assumed that younger Gen Zs and gen Alpha will just receive the climate change wisdom via osmosis or maybe if we're lucky, their parents. I've seen more people worrying about under-population (under population! Remember over-population?) than the environment recently. Maybe we need to bring Captain Planet back.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by zanderwohl on Saturday October 17, 2026 @07:43PM (#50136275)
To be fair, overpopulation was never an actual concern. Since the 1800s, food production growth rates have outpaced population growth rates. Underpopulation _is_ a concern when infrastructure and social structures may not be able contract quickly enough to sustain our current quality of life.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by Nition on Saturday October 17, 2026 @07:46PM (#50136297)
The food scarcity concern was certainly overblown, I was thinking more about the environmental concern.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by lukeify on Saturday October 17, 2026 @08:23PM (#50136594)
Don't worry, overpopulation will come back as a concern when we get massive crop collapse due to climate change.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by asdf88990 on Saturday October 17, 2026 @10:31PM (#50137306)
You can see all the bad things about modern cultivation but lack of resistance to climate change isn’t one.

Yes, for many swaths and types of traditional agriculture and fishing it will be doom, but this conversation isn’t about local ecosystem but global food production vs population growth.

Food production was never a problem, supply and management is.

Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by adrianN on Saturday October 17, 2026 @11:53PM (#50137772)
As long as the population depends on non-renewable resources, technically any population size is overpopulation. With the technology we currently use our population levels can't be sustained for very long.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by mitxela on Sunday October 18, 2026 @08:37AM (#50140571)
Do you know why and how food production has been able to match population growth and how long much more it can scale? We are using almost all of earth's farmable land right now.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by naishoya on Sunday October 18, 2026 @10:34AM (#50141463)
That's not quite right.

While nearly half of all habitable land is used to some extent as agriculture, the total amount of land in active cultivation has actually been declining since the early 2000's and we currently abandon more farmland every year than we clear forest or convert to agriculture. Between 1992 and 2020, ~ 7% of all cropland was effectively 'abandoned' and much of the production capacity in the west is actually intentionally kept from being fully planted in order to control against overproduction of cereal crops which in the past has been justified by arguing that this control is necessary to prevent market crashes when distribution networks cannot absorb the full capacity of a harvest.

Globally, there are about a billion acres, 400ish million hectares, ~ about half the size of Australia, which sits unused according to FAO satellite and other observables datasets.

About half of the abandonment not due to cultivability at the simplest level, but rather that of transportation of the crops to market or of access to workforce (labor or equipment) to the land. Smaller, more distant crops without significant mechanization simply cannot compete at the prices possible through mechanization. With a lack of access to global niche markets and the higher prices for, say, premium organics, many successive generations of farming families have simply moved to town and left the land sitting, unused.

The other ~ half of abandoned land is because of degraded production capacity through mismanagement; either through over-application of petrochemical fertilizers instead of crop rotation, or through mechanized tilling without careful erosion management. Many farms have neither the time nor the resources (or in the case of large industrial operations the long-term financial foresight on the part of management) to engage in multi-year regenerative practices necessary to reestablish the soil mycostructure and probiotic ecosystems necessary to recover productivity.

However, if demand were to rise sufficiently and if production instead of distribution was the driving force behind food scarcity, we do indeed have arable land reserves which do not require further destruction of uncultivated wilderness to meet a growing demand.

There is actually an inverse relationship to land productivity at scale; the larger farms do extract more gross tonnage of product at lower costs of per-unit equipment and labor, but actually those operations significantly underproduce volumes of harvestable food if measured in 'per unit of land' instead of labor hours. Fields with multi-level, interconnected plant communities significantly overproduce in terms or total volume. This has been demonstrated in nearly every place on earth using very simple techniques that have varied names and different approaches to marketing, but are all very much the same thing: call it Fukuoka's "One Straw Revolution", Bill Mollison's "Permaculture", Historic Food Forests in Africa and the Decca in India, or in the Middle East "Oasis". In the Americas it still is "Three sisters" gardening. These techniques simply are not mechanized and delivering mass volumes of single commodity product into a global distribution network and that's where the difficulty and disconnect between global populations and available nutrition originates.

If there was a technological and market incentives to connect abundant and diverse harvests in rural communities with Bodegas, restaurants, and grocery store chains in the big cities without ten middle-men adding cost for the consumer without improving the product in the least, then half of the land abandonment issue could unwind and small farms could thrive, not by delivering bulk raw indistinguishable commodity to food manufacturing, but by delivering farm fresh produce to kitchens and fruit stalls.

If that were both low-cost for the consumer, and high earning for the farmer while having quality control and assured provenance then the conversation could center around making better use of even less total cropland and restoring wilderness to a near-native sustainable state.

But as it stands now, we're not short on crop land to human population ratio so much as short on effective distribution and incentives for responsible production.

/todays-soapbox

... this is kind of my area of peculiar skill and work. I've tried to steer multinational, multimillion Euro/dollar agriculture operations that produce significant volumes of global "organically produced" harvests in the direction of cooperating with rural and indigenous farming communities in conserving soil health to the benefit of all. That's been a mixed bag, so the forward momentum is with the local rice production in rural Yamagata. Same objectives, more cooperation and long term planning.

Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by zanderwohl on Sunday October 18, 2026 @10:15PM (#50147589)
Not through farming a larger area of land, that's for sure. It's been mostly up to improvements in crops, nitrogen fixing, the invention of the reefer car, and other things.

Additionally, I'd like to remind you that we have a lot of wiggle room: if we stop growing alfalfa and stop doing stupid things like biofuel, that will free up an enormous amount of land.

Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by dylan604 on Saturday October 17, 2026 @07:28PM (#50136169)
GenZ and GenAlpha are yet to reach a point where they can do anything about it. Boomers are still making decisions and there's plenty of GenXers that are still clinging to the myth concept.

Until the Boomers finish ageing out and GenZ/A grow up to take the reins, the status quo stays

Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by adrr on Saturday October 17, 2026 @08:41PM (#50136700)
They don't have low turn out in general elections and almost non existent during the elections that matter the most, the primaries. Boomers are reliable vote so they pick the candidates and elect the candidates.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by dylan604 on Saturday October 17, 2026 @08:55PM (#50136773)
Sounds like you're agreeing that GenZ/GenA need to do some more growing up to me.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by rcxdude on Saturday October 17, 2026 @09:35PM (#50136964)
Well, they could do more about it now, but it's the classic 'young people don't turn out to vote' issue.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by lesuorac on Sunday October 18, 2026 @01:44AM (#50138234)
They’ll vote for a candidate they feel interested in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_New_York_City_mayoral_ele...

Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by kakacik on Sunday October 18, 2026 @03:09AM (#50138655)
doesnt cover the common case when candidates are crap left and right, does it
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by MajorTakeaway on Saturday October 17, 2026 @06:55PM (#50135922)
I really think that Disney shit really fucked your head up, NGL Gen Y.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by Nition on Saturday October 17, 2026 @07:01PM (#50135969)
You don't have to trust a kids' show, that's just to help build general awareness. The proof is clear enough in rising CO2 levels, global average temperatures, ocean heat content etc.

The power is yours.

Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by dylan604 on Saturday October 17, 2026 @07:29PM (#50136180)
To me, the proof things can change was during the lock downs and saw how quickly things changed once all of the automobile pollution approached zero.
Re:Bleached corals thrive within days by x______________ on Monday October 19, 2026 @08:17AM (#50151485)
> ..the proof things can change was during the lock downs and saw how quickly things changed once all of the automobile pollution approached zero

This is not mentioned enough. The world, nature and all of its glory will thrive once human activity comes to a standstill as seen though the lockdown.