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Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by ndriscoll on Thursday October 08, 2026 @08:32AM (#50005052)
Where are you getting unpaid from? Almost all people who are qualified to analyze the results are paid researchers. And if it is unpaid, then it sounds like they're looking it over for their own reasons, and that's fine?

I also fail to see the issue you have with releasing abandoned source. In what world is that bad? That obviously is a gift and should be encouraged. e.g. id software's history of doing that has meant their work stays alive forever.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by afavour on Thursday October 08, 2026 @08:40AM (#50005135)
Unpaid by OpenAI. In service of their PR goals they’re creating a bunch of work for others and not contributing to compensating that work.
Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by WarmWash on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:39AM (#50005681)
No one has any obligation to ever look at anything OAI publishes.

Ironically though, what I imagine will happen, is that the researchers will pay OAI to use chatGPT to help themselves eval the proofs.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by tffrt on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:57AM (#50005876)
This is a comment in poor taste.

You have the frontier labs who are marketing that it’s over and they’re building intelligent machines and you’re saying the mathematicians should ignore it? Ok

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by WarmWash on Thursday October 08, 2026 @10:15AM (#50006080)
I'm not sure how you construed that, so let me be more precise.

Mathematicians, as autonomous entities with no formal connection to any AI lab, have zero obligation to do any work for those labs. OAI can't do anything if all the mathematicians band together and say "Sorry, we're not interested".

If they do chose to engage, they are doing so entirely voluntarily, and it would strongly indicate, if they are voluntarily doing it for free, that there is value (i.e. compensation, payment, barter, worthwhile, whatever) to be had by digging in.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by charcircuit on Thursday October 08, 2026 @10:17AM (#50006101)
Whether you should do something and whether you are free not to do it are different things.
Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by simianwords on Thursday October 08, 2026 @12:56PM (#50008379)
in this world view, OpenAI held mathematicians at gun point and forced them to review their slop
Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by lelandfe on Thursday October 08, 2026 @03:11PM (#50010561)
Or perhaps more like OpenAI called in a bomb threat against the mathematician building and someone had to go see if it was just a Snapple bottle
Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by _aavaa_ on Thursday October 08, 2026 @08:34AM (#50005071)
OpenAI isn’t paying mathematicians to verify all these papers. It’s dumping the papers trying to nerd snipe them into checking it for free.
Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by ndriscoll on Thursday October 08, 2026 @08:41AM (#50005149)
Researchers normally don't pay each other to read each other's work. It's a symbiotic relationship. If they think the AI results are nonsense, they could ignore it like any other crank. If they think it seems plausible and it's relevant to them, they can try to understand it. Seems fine?
Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by cowpig on Thursday October 08, 2026 @08:53AM (#50005250)
> It's a symbiotic relationship

That's right, and the difference is that this one is parasitic.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by ndriscoll on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:04AM (#50005352)
Why's that? Do you think that institutions and funding agencies won't cover researchers' use of advanced models, or what? The group I worked in in undergrad had millions of dollars of equipment for doing experiments. I'd have to imagine they could get funding for a few thousand dollars in tokens for the theoreticians to have AI assistance.
Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by afavour on Thursday October 08, 2026 @11:40AM (#50007183)
> Researchers normally don't pay each other to read each other's work.

If reading each others work is symbiotic it makes sense OpenAI is parasitic: whose papers are they reading in return? No-one’s.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by ndriscoll on Thursday October 08, 2026 @11:49AM (#50007312)
The symbiosis here isn't I'll read your paper and you read mine. It's I'll publish my results and you publish yours. Groups share results and cross-pollinate ideas. If people don't want to read OpenAI's papers, no one's going to make them. If no one's interested in the ideas that OpenAI is coming up with, everyone can just ignore them.

The problem people are having is they clearly are interested. They think the ideas are good. In fact, too good. If they thought otherwise, they would just say it's all slop, no one cares, business as usual. And you can tell that there's this phase change in their behavior because previously you could ask chatgpt about math and it would just give you word salad and everyone knew that. Now we can all see that it's not just word salad and people are scrambling to figure out what to make of that. Obviously an accurate answer oracle is still strictly useful even if it makes no attempt to tell you why (you can even use it only to help prove your boring technical lemmas when you have ideas!), so obviously this is an emotional reaction, not a rational one.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by fwip on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:39AM (#50005688)
That's just money flowing into OpenAI, from the people who used to pay mathematicians.
Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by ndriscoll on Thursday October 08, 2026 @10:00AM (#50005902)
Okay? Again, when I was in my group, money would flow to Nvidia to buy GPUs that we would use to run simulations (in addition to the experimental devices I mentioned). The researchers could also request money to use for openrouter or build their own GPU cluster if everyone thinks it's good use of funds.

Shouldn't we pay for the best tools if it helps researchers to be more effective?

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by WarmWash on Thursday October 08, 2026 @10:27AM (#50006242)
You are arguing with people who have AI do 80% of their job yet are still convinced that the labs are the ones capturing all the value.
Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by PunchTornado on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:14AM (#50005446)
yes, but in this case, openai does a lot of PR how their models solve important math problems. if it goes unchallenged, parts of society would think that is true. what would happen if we scale it and 10k companies dump 10k papers every month claiming solved math problems. how is this scalable?

We need the companies to humanly review their papers. in the same way as at other companies we use humans to review the papers.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by ndriscoll on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:19AM (#50005502)
Well, per another comment in the thread, some 20% of their solutions come with formalization, so there's a very high chance (probably higher than typical asks of research mathematics) that they did solve the problem. And that also presents a pretty easy solution to the scaling issue: demand formal proofs.

(If you're going to object that it's difficult to validate the statement of the problem, please first state your level of experience doing so. It's getting tiring seeing people raise this objection and claim that a statement is just as hard as a proof over and over who don't seem to actually know any math and have never tried to write anything in Lean)

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by _aavaa_ on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:24AM (#50005557)
Formalization only helps you if you prove that the formalization is correctly implemented, that the model didn’t subtly mess up or cheat.

Someone still has to read the formalization.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by rfgplk on Thursday October 08, 2026 @08:46AM (#50005181)
> Almost all people who are qualified to analyze the results are paid researchers.

This _might_ have been true somewhat in the past (although it wasn't), but it's completely false today. Anyone with access to a sufficiently advanced model has the capabilities of analyzing these papers/proofs. It's no different than reading a codebase you might not be fully familiar with, and checking it for correctness (give an engineering analogy).

This hardcore gatekeeping of math (and by extension STEM) fields MUST stop.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by ndriscoll on Thursday October 08, 2026 @08:53AM (#50005246)
I mean, I have a decent math background, but I would struggle greatly to attempt to even tell you what most (or any) of the conjectures in e.g. number theory are about at even the highest level. I can't imagine a layman would have any hope.

Like I was reading some about adele rings last night, which is already going to be quite a concept for a layman to be able to even slightly describe. Then you can layer on that apparently they're locally compact, so we can talk about harmonic analysis on the additive group. Like, come on now, 99.99% of people have no hope of ever following along, and this is stuff from 75 years ago.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by latexr on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:36AM (#50005657)
> Anyone with access to a sufficiently advanced model has the capabilities of analyzing these papers/proofs.

But they don’t. What they have is the ability to ask something else to do the analysis. It’s an important distinction. If the asker has the skills to evaluate the results, that’s one thing, but too many don’t and act as if whatever they got is unambiguous truth.

> This hardcore gatekeeping of math (and by extension STEM) fields MUST stop.

What must stop is the overuse of the word “gatekeeping”. Anyone is free to study these fields and work on problems. What people rightfully object to is uninformed research flooding everything with hard to verify junk.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by AlanYx on Thursday October 08, 2026 @10:59AM (#50006633)
The discourse around "gatekeeping" is so poisonous. I think a lot of non-mathematicians are looking at this situation as if this was a guild of medical doctors or some other profession with a regulatory monopoly trying to "gatekeep" access to math from a new upstart in order to preserve their own pricing power. That's not how the math community works, it welcomes all and there is no barrier to contribution.

Mathematicians do have some vested interest in keeping the profession from collapsing into an intellectual oligopoly, where one or two commercial players with early access to their own internal models continuously scoops everyone else and pollutes the field with externalities, and the profession itself collapses, only leaving AIs and hobbyists able to stand. At that point it'll be the AI firms who become rent-seekers. That's not really "gatekeeping" in any conventional sense of the term, it's protecting a healthy economy of ideas and the long-term development of mathematics.

Re:OpenAI Withdraws 3 Math Papers by YeGoblynQueenne on Thursday October 08, 2026 @04:33PM (#50011803)
>> This hardcore gatekeeping of math (and by extension STEM) fields MUST stop.

Is someone stopping you from studying maths?