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Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by SV_BubbleTime on Monday September 21, 2026 @09:21PM (#49795684)
Apple’s always on watch has a declared 15 second buffer for live audio, and a worse scenario of summarizing your conversations for later but.. they tell you about it proudly. They also tell you how they’ve managed to do it while keeping privacy focused.

It’s your choice if you believe them or not, I like Apple and I wouldn’t use that feature.

The pretending that this is the same thing, that Apple is sneaking something past you when they’re showing you that they’re trying to do it right is a bad faith argument.

Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by defrost on Monday September 21, 2026 @10:32PM (#49796167)
Will they surrender logs for a legal discovery request?

e.g. Johnny's accused of something white collar, did he ever make any prompts that suggest how early on he was aware of {X} and further indicate how he moved to frame it?

That's a requirement that varies by country.

Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by SV_BubbleTime on Monday September 21, 2026 @11:22PM (#49796462)
Have you read anything about the feature?

They’re asserting that all the audio is done on device, and the results of encrypted so they can’t access them even from the backups.

Unlike… EVERY… other tech company, it is in Apple’s interest to be privacy-focused.

Even if you just have to believe them, which you do pretty much, they’re the biggest name pushing for privacy in the world right now. They make more on selling devices than they make on ads and behaviors. It’s in their interest to not lie.

Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by ierukah on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:30AM (#49797124)
> It’s in their interest to not lie.

Oh, really?

Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by microtonal on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:45AM (#49797210)
Read the actual privacy brief. Even though the audio transcription is done on device. For Siri recap, a condensed transcription (which mostly removes superfluous words, etc.) goes to their PCC servers. So even though their servers do not get raw audio, their servers do get transcriptions, which is nearly the same privacy-wise.

Of course, at that point it depends on how much you trust their PCC.

Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by account42 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @04:01AM (#49797962)
It's their interest to be privacy focused ... to the extend that they don't let other companies have free access to their users data.

But make no mistake, Apple itself is an ad company and that sets all the incentives that matter.

Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by codedokode on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @05:05AM (#49798347)
Yes? What other answer could be there?
Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by Pannoniae on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @07:12AM (#49799391)
"No" is also an answer. Sadly one which isn't considered by many people :)
Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by ifh-hn on Monday September 21, 2026 @10:09PM (#49795986)
I'm not pretending anything, nor did I imply they were sneaking anything in. It's a bad faith argument to pretend I was doing that, which is ironic but not unexpected from an apple fan...
Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by microtonal on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:40AM (#49797188)
It’s absolutely not a bad faith argument. They proudly tell you about iMessage being end-to-end encrypted. The part where it’s practically only encryption at rest, because everyone enables iCloud backups without ADP is hidden somewhere in a footnote.
Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by embedding-shape on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @04:33AM (#49798167)
Wonder if they proudly tell Chinese users (or visitors to China) that suddenly their data is going to a different place than usual, servers outside of Apple's control?
Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by kennyadam on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @06:36AM (#49799086)
Not even able to enable ADP in the UK these days :(
Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by pjerem on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:41AM (#49797198)
> Apple’s always on watch has a declared 15 second buffer for live audio, and a worse scenario of summarizing your conversations for later

Even if you trust them, maybe as an user you can be ok with that. As a non-user who will talk with people wearing Apple Watches, I disagree being recorded and my conversations with the watch owner summarized.

Where do I disagree for that ?

Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by totetsu on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @03:39AM (#49797817)
Where could I disagree with all my family members sending their dna to 23andme?
Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by maccard on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @03:28AM (#49797738)
With the person wearing the watch. It’s no different to someone walking around with a lapel mic
Re:Spymarks, Not Watermarks by pjerem on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @09:30AM (#49800997)
Where I live it’s forbidden so I’m pretty confident that nobody is doing it, at least unintentionally.