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Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by mgkimsal on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @07:50PM (#4971762)
You really only devoted 5 hours per week?
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by IgorPartola on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @09:47PM (#4972114)
Most of my workouts were 30 minutes long, and most weeks I did 5 workouts. The other part of the time was spent on commuting to the gym (10 minutes) or getting ready, etc. This is an important point, as most of my weight loss did not come from the exercise: I burnt about 400 calories at a time and immediately replenished them after. The weight loss came from the calorie restricted diet (not overly so, I did create a deficit), which included lots of vegetables and fruit.

I have tried doing dieting alone but it never worked: I could lose weight, but then would gain it back within a year. Combining diet and exercise completed the feedback loop. Eating like crap meant feeling like I was going to die when working out. Conversely, eating well meant performing well. This clicked for me.

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by magicalist on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @08:24PM (#4971853)
For most people, that doesn't really account for the travel time, fueling time, cooling off, and general gym fooling around, which there inevitably will be.

I still agree with his point that it's one of the best ways to spend that extra time, but I think it's important to acknowledge it and plan for it. The commitment of a one hour workout is quite different than one that's twice as long because you have to deal with after-work traffic. There's also the matter of which 5 hours, as not all hours are equal in value.

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by hedgehog on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @08:35PM (#4971887)
If you have running shoes and a weight bench that's really enough. In the city you can live close to the gym and that keeps the time down, for example I can leave my apartment, return, shower, and dress in under 1:15.
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by eru on Thursday December 27, 2012 @03:07AM (#4972760)
What do you need the bench for? If you only get one piece of equipment, make it a barbell (with some weights).

(Next you buy a squat rack. Or skipping rope, or pull up bars, or olympic rings. If you feel you need to use your triceps, buy olympic rings and do dips on them.)

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by rimantas on Thursday December 27, 2012 @06:34AM (#4973032)
For a bench press?
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by eru on Wednesday January 02, 2013 @10:18AM (#4997066)
Just don't bother with bench pressing, if you don't have a spotter or no bench. You can work on your pressing muscles in different, non-scary ways.
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by dredmorbius on Thursday December 27, 2012 @07:53PM (#4975903)
You can press off the floor. It's much better for your shoulders, and far safer if you're training alone.
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by dredmorbius on Thursday December 27, 2012 @07:53PM (#4975902)
Oly bar, plates, rack stand or power cage, adjustable dumbbells, chinning bar, dips bar / captain's chair, C2 indoor rower, pulley system, bumper plates & platform, ropes, kettlebells, would make up my essential gym. It's a lot cheaper (and more convenient) to pay someone else a monthly fee to manage and store all that than keep it on premises than accumulate and store it myself. Hence: a good gym is a solid investment.
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by b3b0p on Thursday December 27, 2012 @11:02PM (#4976372)
I bought a Rogue S2, the matching bench and dip accessory, a set of bumpers, Pendlay Bearing Bar, and some rubber mats from the Tractor Store. Put it in my basement. Sure beats having to run to the gym or wondering if it will be open on certain days or the hours. I don't know why you would need or want all those other accessories you mentioned. I like to keep it simple though. It doesn't take up much storage either. Before I bought my current home, I rented out a climate controlled U-Haul to use it.
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by dredmorbius on Friday December 28, 2012 @12:20AM (#4976540)
A bar stand is good, but (if you've got the space and budget for it) a full power cage is going to offer you additional benefits and flexibility. Most of my list actually attaches to that or is proximate to it, so it's not like you'd have a huge pile of equipment spread all over the place.

The cage itself is good for squats, rack pulls, shrugs, high-racked overhead press (as opposed to cleaned presses), and bench press, among others. The safety pins can be used for additional protection where the bar might put you at risk, especially in squats and bench press. Most cages will have a high bar suitable for chin-ups, if not one can generally be added. Similarly a dips attachment. An adjustable pulley gives you the added flexibility of a cable station allowing for pulls with resistance at different orientations (high, low, mid). With front racks, you can work outside the cage while still racking the bar onto it, much as you would with your bar stand. Bumper plates and a platform allow for Oly lifts, which are great for developing not just power but strength (you can do Oly lifts without these, but it's safer and easier on your equipment if you do have them).

You can also set up a rack for use with bands, chains, or both, to change and target your training. A rack generally offers anchor points for bands (chains just get draped over the bar): http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_trai...

Something like this offers most of what I'm talking about, many other cages do as well: http://www.texasstrengthsystems.com/powerracks.html

An adjustable DB is just a bar, a set of plates, and a locking ring that you can set up for a wide range of weights, it's cheaper than buying a full set of DBs over the same range, and the manual ones will give more range than the adjustable DBs you can typically buy (usually 5-50# or so, not enough for the serious lifter).

A rope hanging from the ceiling for climbing is pretty minimal equipment. Kettelbells (even just 2-4 of a few weights) offer some increased variety to a workout, though most KB moves can be done with DBs.

A Concept2 erg is something I happen to like, and if I had my own gym it's what I'd want.

Total space budget isn't all that huge

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by b3b0p on Friday December 28, 2012 @12:57PM (#4978629)
I could have gotten the cage, but it's larger, heavier, and takes up more space. Also, it's all I need. I didn't want to buy more than I wanted or needed. I don't need a cage to squat, clean, press, and chin. I went back and forth for a while, but those are essentially the only exercises I do. I have no interest in chains, bands, etc. This is fine and works for me. It's also cheaper, easier to take apart/together, and move to a different location if needed.
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by dredmorbius on Saturday December 29, 2012 @12:33AM (#4981251)
Yep. Starting from a just a bar, a stand is your first best additional purchase. Just sayin' what all y'all can do with a cage on top of that.
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by matwood on Thursday December 27, 2012 @12:54PM (#4974242)
Yes. When I was at my strongest (max DL was 525lbs, sadly I'm only in the 400s now) I spent only that in the gym. Lifting weights is both a physical and mental exercise that most people can only continue for ~45 minutes. Anymore than that and it's often useless work because it's not at a level that's still challenging.

Powerlifting tends to make for longer workouts because I would take more rest between sets. When I would do BB or cut workouts I would be in the gym ~30 minutes. Keep in mind that this 30 minutes was full on balls to the wall intensity. It's the intensity that matters and not the time. Also, many people do not know true intensity. I know I didn't learn it until I started doing BJJ training and puking multiple times during 1.5 hour sessions. Protecting yourself and competition has a way of drawing people out to the very edge of what they are capable of.

There was an article recently in Outdoor magazine where even amateur marathon runners are training differently. Instead of slogging out many many miles, they have cut miles and are doing less work but at maximum intensity.

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by foobarqux on Thursday December 27, 2012 @04:55PM (#4975244)
What are your squat/bench/press PRs?
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by matwood on Friday December 28, 2012 @09:21AM (#4977733)
Bench was 325# Squat was 380# Weight at the time was 205#

My goals were 500/400/300 DL/Squat/Bench, but I could never get the squat. My legs are long and I do true ATG squats. My quarter and half squats were into the 400s though. My other problem with squats was that I tore my ACL wakeboarding and have had it surgically repaired. It feels great now, but the timing set me back on my squatting.

Benching in the 300s hurt my elbows too much so once I hit that number I backed way off. I rarely bench over 250# during a workout now.

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by foobarqux on Saturday December 29, 2012 @07:16PM (#4983999)
Nice bench, congratulations.
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by raverbashing on Thursday December 27, 2012 @04:28AM (#4972867)
What's the surprise?

Most people would be surprised at "how little" bodybuilders work out. Sure, they work out much more compared to the average person, but less than let's say your olympic swimmer, volleyball player, etc

It's still a "full time job" but training is not a lot of time compared to other activities (mainly eating)

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by debacle on Thursday December 27, 2012 @11:02AM (#4973698)
bodybuilders spend a lot more time on their workout routine than power lifters.

A power lifter might spend 3-5 hours a week, but a bodybuilder likely spends up to ten or more.

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie (2011) by arjunnarayan on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @08:06PM (#4971812)
That's 3 good workouts per week.