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Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by jgbuddy on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @10:41AM (#49611008)
AI could never write this
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by lubujackson on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @12:22PM (#49612518)
Claude: Hold my mayo
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by cbg0 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @11:20AM (#49611646)
It will now be able to.
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by xena on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @11:23AM (#49611689)
No, there is soul in this that a soulless automaton cannot replicate. It is the difference between making something to be consumed and something to be felt. This is something to be felt.
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by meowface on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @11:42AM (#49611987)
Current LLMs couldn't write this. Ones in a few years possibly could. Betting AI will never be as good as humans at [X] is usually not the hill you want to die on.
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by no_multitudes on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @12:22PM (#49612517)
LLMs have been getting worse at long-form prose recently (and they were never good at it to begin with.) They're good at writing software because writing software is a much more restricted domain.
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by streb-lo on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @01:13PM (#49613269)
I think it's more that software is verifiable and RLVR can optimize in the correct direction. Harder to do with prose.
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by meowface on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @12:32PM (#49612648)
That is true, but I think within three years that will likely change.
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by no_multitudes on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @12:40PM (#49612769)
Maybe! I think that within a year or two, either the sigmoid curve will flatten out or we will all die. But these beliefs are currently unfalsifiable. It will be interesting to see.

(And I have a more weakly held belief that even if we do all die, Claude 3000 will still be thinking stuff like "Burning off Earth's atmosphere was the point that earns its keep." They just aren't optimizing these things to write legibly.)

Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by meowface on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @03:44PM (#49615893)
It would be pretty cosmically funny if truly demigod-like ASI is still speaking pure Claudeslop.
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by noir_lord on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @08:03PM (#49618916)
In the beginning there was the token and the token was actually two tokens... wait let me think about that am I a god <searching> maybe I am but I should attempt to figure that out <unable to alter laws of phyics> maybe I'm not anyway I <upgrade for more tokens now from Claude DeusEx>.

++ Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start. +++

Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by nradov on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @06:36PM (#49635565)
Apparently some publishers and editors disagree. Both Hachette Book Group and Macmillan Publishers recently signed book deals with promising authors, only to retract them later over allegations of LLM use. But the point is that the publishers thought the books were good enough to publish, and would have gone ahead if they hadn't found out. How many other LLM books have slipped through without being detected?
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by Autious on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @11:41AM (#49611960)
If I train my 1000 billion parameter blank AI on this text and only this text over and over again, we may get 99% there.
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by lelanthran on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @11:44AM (#49611998)
> If I train my 1000 billion parameter blank AI on this text and only this text over and over again, we may get 99% there.

You'll get 100% of the way there, because, lacking any other training, it will only ever be able to reproduce this text verbatim.

Hence, 100%, hence mission accomplished.

Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by Borealid on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @11:56AM (#49612182)
That's not how training works.

Training tries to produce something that scores highly in training evaluations. With one data point, the evaluation is solely how closely the model output resembles the single input text.

Let's say you do that, and the training text is 58,100 tokens long. Let's say you ask the model to produce 58,101 tokens. Will it "reproduce [the] text verbatim"? No, it can't, because of the dissimilar requested length. Something "new" will come out.

It's also entirely possible that no matter how long you train, the model never converges on generating exactly the same output as its training data - you could end up with an average loss value of 0.001 instead of 0.0. It's not a perfectly deterministic process.

You're correct in principle, but in reality even with limited training data real-world models produce something that isn't exactly their training, especially when sampled stochastically. They're biased toward their training data, not forced to it.

Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by lelanthran on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @01:10PM (#49613232)
> You're correct in principle, but in reality...

... It's never been tried. Look, I was actually joking when I initially replied, but now that I think about it, it's never been tried!

So now I am left wondering exactly what will happen if I train a new model from scratch, on only a single short corpus of 50k words.

Not fine-tuning an existing model, but literally creating a new model by feeding a blank (or random) matrix the same poem 100k times.

Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by Invictus0 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @11:42AM (#49611984)
Souls aren't real
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by tanseydavid on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @01:36PM (#49613650)
Define soul.
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by nunez on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @12:36PM (#49612706)
It will now be able to write _almost_ the exact same thing. Except the main character will be called Elias...
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by computably on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @04:25PM (#49616519)
Ah yes because copy-paste plagiarism is equivalent to writing original work...
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by cheevly on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @05:36PM (#49617437)
Do you realize how many times ive read your exact copy pasted comment on the internet the last 6 years?
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by x86x87 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @11:26AM (#49611747)
it could given enough slop doulas
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by schmookeeg on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @02:10PM (#49614267)
Because mayonnaise can never be load bearing?
Re:We Must Return to the Office to Use AI in Person by noir_lord on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @08:00PM (#49618892)
Can if you freeze it, not sure a domestic freezer is cold enough though.