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Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by fedeb95 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @03:44AM (#49461285)
This happens nearly every year in Italy.

Someone said that it's because we humans are very good at reacting at immediate danger and very bad at reacting at risks building up slowly.

I don't know if it is true, but by today still voting for parties denying climate change all the way and that have done nothing in past years to prevent this type of risks is crazy.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by phtrivier on Thursday August 27, 2026 @04:36AM (#49461658)
It must be hard to discuss that in Italy, where millions of tourist (like me) queue to visit Pompei (or, better in my opinion, Herculanum), and then go back to their AirBnB in... Napoli, aka the backyard of an active volcano.

As a friend says, "Our collective cognitive dissonance is something I would not want to climb with a bike."

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by brabel on Thursday August 27, 2026 @06:44AM (#49462641)
It’s very different to visit a risk area as a tourist. Your chances of being buried are slim for a particle week. But for the people living there every day, the statistics compound. For a long enough period it’s almost guaranteed you will suffer. In the case of the downhill villages in Nepal, everyone knew those lakes would eventually burst , and in a matter of a few years. To continue building and living in those areas was completely reckless and I want to believe that anywhere in Europe they would have evacuated such villages decades before disaster.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by eliaspro on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:37AM (#49464739)
In Germany we just rebuild everything in an area (Ahrtal) devastated by one of the worst floods in local history...
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by chinathrow on Thursday August 27, 2026 @04:47AM (#49461742)
By the amount of (some of it useless) tech we've come to build in the last 3 decades, we should have arrived at the stage where we can collectively control the CO2 levels in our atmosphere, by now. For ever.

We failed.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by sfn42 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @06:57AM (#49462756)
We can increase them, it's just really hard to decrease them which is why scientists have been telling us to stop increasing the CO2 levels for about a century.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by srean on Thursday August 27, 2026 @08:24AM (#49463652)
Indeed.

Cutting down on annual emissions will not be accompanied by reduction in atmospheric CO2, unless the current rate of emission is lower than that of natural processes that take CO2 out of the atmosphere.

That's why atmospheric CO2 continues to rise, despite cuts, if the cuts at global scale are at all real.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by wafflemaker on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:25AM (#49464582)
It's not hard, it just takes a lot of energy.

Enough cheap energy (that doesn't produce CO2) and some incentive and you could have CO2 slowly removed.

Like in Critical Mass by Daniel Suarez.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by ghosty141 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:51AM (#49464921)
Trees are that and they don't even need human intervention.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by lbriner on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:09AM (#49466131)
And we can't even manage to plant those in most countries!
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by sfn42 on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:56AM (#49474846)
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by lovich on Thursday August 27, 2026 @10:08AM (#49465171)
There’s some projects trying to figure out carbon capture that’s net negative for co2 emissions like Vesta[1], but yea, we haven’t done nearly enough.

[1] https://www.vesta.earth/science#Duck-Pilot

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by sfn42 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @03:49PM (#49470248)
It does not just take a lot of energy. If we got unlimited free energy today it would take decades if not centuries to build enough carbon capture facilities to just remove as much CO2 as we're producing.

Of course the free energy would instantly allow us to eliminate a huge amount of emissions but that's not really relevant to the point. All the concrete for the tens of thousands of facilities would add up a good amount of additional CO2 to scrub as well.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by embedding-shape on Thursday August 27, 2026 @06:21AM (#49462443)
> Someone said that it's because we humans are very good at reacting at immediate danger and very bad at reacting at risks building up slowly.

I have a tiny lithium battery on a desk in my lab that started swelling about a week ago. I've been meaning to go to the recycle place every day since then to drop it off, but nothing exploded yet, so here I sit with a slightly swollen battery some meters away from me.

I'd say you're just about right :)

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by Medox on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:58AM (#49463344)
PSA: check drawer with old devices regularly. Found a swollen battery in my PSP, after not touching it 7-8 years. Same with an old motorola A920 (quite old). Who knows how many years both had swollen batteries but, then again, newer batteries have much more power to contain.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by WarmWash on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:59AM (#49465029)
If you think about it though, there are billions of shoddily made lithium batteries sitting in drawers everywhere for years now, and yet there are only about 10 fire incidents a day.

So like many other boogeymen, driving to work is still far more dangerous. Back of the napkin shows about 100x more likely to die in a car crash than experience a battery incident in any given year.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by lazide on Thursday August 27, 2026 @02:00PM (#49468772)
so far
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by V__ on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:38AM (#49463144)
Fingers crossed it doesn't burn your house down when your out and about. At least put it somewhere outside.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by embedding-shape on Thursday August 27, 2026 @08:28AM (#49463722)
I have plenty of fire alarms, both local and remote, and extinguishers of different types around, I'm not too worried :) But thanks for the concern kind stranger!
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by jacquesm on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:20AM (#49466299)
Your extinguisher will do absolutely nothing. Get rid of it. Soon. Better now.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by embedding-shape on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:23AM (#49466346)
The extinguisher is not for the battery itself silly, it's for when everything else around it is on fire :)
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by boringg on Thursday August 27, 2026 @12:05PM (#49467056)
But if the fire continues after the extinguisher is done… what is covering that scenario?
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by Epa095 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:26AM (#49464587)
At least put it in a coffee cup or something like that!
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by embedding-shape on Thursday August 27, 2026 @10:11AM (#49465227)
How am I supposed to be able to observe it slowly swell more over time then? I think I might have overstated how big this battery is, or understated how small it is. It's fiiine :)
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by toss1 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @10:07AM (#49465149)
YES!!

The other thing to do is discharge it, so it has little energy stored to maintain/enlarge a fire

A drone engineer I worked with would immediately put any suspect battery into a barrel of water for several days, then get them disposed of properly.

The risk really seems trivial, probably because of our extensive experience with ordinary alkaline and NiCad batteries with a very benign degradation pattern, but the risk with Li-Ion is no joke.

All your fire extinguishers will do you no good if it goes off while you are out of the house. Also, the fire extinguishers will only suppress the surrounding fire, and do nothing about the core Li-Ion fire itself.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by jacquesm on Thursday August 27, 2026 @12:32PM (#49467478)
It's trivial until they go, and then it is instant misery. I've done it on purpose just to see how bad it would be and even knowing it will happen it will still surprise you with how sudden, total and hot those things burn. You have < 2 seconds from first signs of ignition to all-out fire with the battery moving all over the place due to outgassing. It's a thing to behold.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by lazide on Thursday August 27, 2026 @02:00PM (#49468758)
Lol, literally none of those will meaningfully reduce or stop the damage if it happens.

Very applicable example for the thread!

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by hylaride on Thursday August 27, 2026 @10:20AM (#49465335)
If you have an oven light or a resister, you can use it to almost fully discharge the Lipo battery. Doing that will mostly render it inert, but if it's already swollen, you'll want to do it in a metal bucket/container outside. It can take awhile depending on the capacity of the battery. (This is how I dispose my FPV drone batteries).
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by cucumber3732842 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:28AM (#49464615)
>Someone said that it's because we humans are very good at reacting at immediate danger and very bad at reacting at risks building up slowly.

Humans are really good at stealing, lying, beating their wives and all sorts of other bad shit too but you don't see people going around saying "aw shucks, it's just nature, whatcha gonna do". One of the benefits of society is to tame human nature in such a way that we all benefit more than we lose and those benefits let us outcompete the adjacent society whether that's the cavemen or a nation state.

Whichever society figures out how to marginalize the voice of the unprincipled, the emotional, those who lie with plausible deniability for their own (often not even financial, just in their own damn head) self interest and overall detriment will mop the floor with the rest of them.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by lazide on Thursday August 27, 2026 @02:02PM (#49468787)
squints I mean, I’ve literally heard people do that for all of those things.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by DrBazza on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:31AM (#49464659)
People are good at reacting to a common danger. Look at the Boxing Day Tsunami - people standing and watching the sea as they just didn't know what it was as they had never seen it before.

This month a 'hunger stone' appeared in the Danube, indicating the levels for pre-20th century famine.

And various other markers in many countries for 'the water reached this level', ironically, on the side of existing buildings.

Yet we build closer and closer to rivers because (flash) flood events happen rarely, and typically not in our lifetime.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by ChrisMarshallNY on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:55AM (#49466896)
> typically not in our lifetime.

That's changing. Even though I'm 64, I suspect that I'll be seeing a lot of "not in my lifetime" stuff happening, before I pop my clogs.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by DrBazza on Thursday August 27, 2026 @12:44PM (#49467624)
You're a little bit older than me - and I recall reading that 'our era' is actually pretty unusual for how quiet it has been in terms of natural disasters and their magnitudes.

Last major volcanic eruption around lots of humans: Krakatoa - 1883 Last major M9 earthquake before Sumatra: Chile - 1960

and so on. Things seem a bit more 'major' now because there's 7bn+ people.