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Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by embedding-shape on Thursday August 27, 2026 @06:21AM (#49462443)
> Someone said that it's because we humans are very good at reacting at immediate danger and very bad at reacting at risks building up slowly.

I have a tiny lithium battery on a desk in my lab that started swelling about a week ago. I've been meaning to go to the recycle place every day since then to drop it off, but nothing exploded yet, so here I sit with a slightly swollen battery some meters away from me.

I'd say you're just about right :)

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by Medox on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:58AM (#49463344)
PSA: check drawer with old devices regularly. Found a swollen battery in my PSP, after not touching it 7-8 years. Same with an old motorola A920 (quite old). Who knows how many years both had swollen batteries but, then again, newer batteries have much more power to contain.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by WarmWash on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:59AM (#49465029)
If you think about it though, there are billions of shoddily made lithium batteries sitting in drawers everywhere for years now, and yet there are only about 10 fire incidents a day.

So like many other boogeymen, driving to work is still far more dangerous. Back of the napkin shows about 100x more likely to die in a car crash than experience a battery incident in any given year.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by lazide on Thursday August 27, 2026 @02:00PM (#49468772)
so far
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by V__ on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:38AM (#49463144)
Fingers crossed it doesn't burn your house down when your out and about. At least put it somewhere outside.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by embedding-shape on Thursday August 27, 2026 @08:28AM (#49463722)
I have plenty of fire alarms, both local and remote, and extinguishers of different types around, I'm not too worried :) But thanks for the concern kind stranger!
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by jacquesm on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:20AM (#49466299)
Your extinguisher will do absolutely nothing. Get rid of it. Soon. Better now.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by embedding-shape on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:23AM (#49466346)
The extinguisher is not for the battery itself silly, it's for when everything else around it is on fire :)
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by boringg on Thursday August 27, 2026 @12:05PM (#49467056)
But if the fire continues after the extinguisher is done… what is covering that scenario?
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by Epa095 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:26AM (#49464587)
At least put it in a coffee cup or something like that!
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by embedding-shape on Thursday August 27, 2026 @10:11AM (#49465227)
How am I supposed to be able to observe it slowly swell more over time then? I think I might have overstated how big this battery is, or understated how small it is. It's fiiine :)
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by toss1 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @10:07AM (#49465149)
YES!!

The other thing to do is discharge it, so it has little energy stored to maintain/enlarge a fire

A drone engineer I worked with would immediately put any suspect battery into a barrel of water for several days, then get them disposed of properly.

The risk really seems trivial, probably because of our extensive experience with ordinary alkaline and NiCad batteries with a very benign degradation pattern, but the risk with Li-Ion is no joke.

All your fire extinguishers will do you no good if it goes off while you are out of the house. Also, the fire extinguishers will only suppress the surrounding fire, and do nothing about the core Li-Ion fire itself.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by jacquesm on Thursday August 27, 2026 @12:32PM (#49467478)
It's trivial until they go, and then it is instant misery. I've done it on purpose just to see how bad it would be and even knowing it will happen it will still surprise you with how sudden, total and hot those things burn. You have < 2 seconds from first signs of ignition to all-out fire with the battery moving all over the place due to outgassing. It's a thing to behold.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by lazide on Thursday August 27, 2026 @02:00PM (#49468758)
Lol, literally none of those will meaningfully reduce or stop the damage if it happens.

Very applicable example for the thread!

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by hylaride on Thursday August 27, 2026 @10:20AM (#49465335)
If you have an oven light or a resister, you can use it to almost fully discharge the Lipo battery. Doing that will mostly render it inert, but if it's already swollen, you'll want to do it in a metal bucket/container outside. It can take awhile depending on the capacity of the battery. (This is how I dispose my FPV drone batteries).