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Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by anilgulecha on Monday June 29, 2026 @08:57PM (#48727332)
The "one free domain per person" isn't the interesting part really - that will be hard to police unless domain name is a function of ID proof (avoids squatting).

0) The actual intersting part of a new TLD can be growing reputation by post-facto taking away a domain without recourse in case of squatting. Instead of adversarial takedowns (which produce false positives as noted), let anyone challenge an inactive domain in the first year or two.

1) If they can figure out a mechanism for moving a domain from "assigned" -> "squatted".

2) Domain must match (or derive from) a verified identity - e.g. your domain is a hash/slug of your government ID. Makes squatting structurally impossible because you can't claim someone else's name / gov (Sign in with passkeys linked to a national ID).

3) Proof of human effort, reduced with time - require periodic renewal with proof-of-use (DNS TXt updates, through a flow hard to automate).

4) Kill speculative market - domains are non-sellable and non-transferable - always go back to the free pool, and stay there for 30 days mandatorily.

Some mix of these could be the right structure for a trule high-reputation, free domain.

Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by ipaddr on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:04PM (#48727377)
Sounds like a bad domain for self hosting. You have to update txt records randomly and your domain can be taken for whatever reason. Whatever value you build goes away if you are inactive. You cannot transfer ownership killing any value you added.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by anilgulecha on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:48PM (#48727652)
Hence the "in the first year or two". Some more human effort to showcase proof early on, then the domain is solidified for you like iwth any other registrar. This is something like captcha/bcrypt - a single instance isn't a burden, but doing it at scale is costly.

> You cannot transfer ownership killing any value you added

I think this is by design. The domain should be for personal use - hence free.

Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by HumanCCF on Monday June 29, 2026 @11:23PM (#48728169)
Exactly this, the goal is to design a TLD according to human-centered principles. That is, we are assuming (and enforcing) that every endpoint using this domain will be some relatively small-scale environment for personal use. This is what will allow us to provide a lot of neat functionality but only at that scale.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by jurgenaut23 on Monday June 29, 2026 @11:33PM (#48728220)
I am probably missing something, but how DNS TXT updates can be made difficult to automate?
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by anilgulecha on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @12:10AM (#48728401)
We can get creative. quick ideas: Send it by printed post. pass it around people to people. an email needs to be added in with some process, and can only get one TXT update value a week.

Many ways of adding friction to obtaining the updatable value - which a human owning a domain would be happy to do, but a squatter would not want to.

Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by szszrk on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @02:12AM (#48729072)
> Send it by printed post

that's how one of my local companies tries to force clients in. They removed auth code from their web panels and introduced complex snail-mail procedure.

That was clear signal to run, but it took me 6 months to do just the domain transfer.

Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by jagged-chisel on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @08:33AM (#48731811)
> We will send you an auth code via paper mail. The code expires in 30 minutes.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by BuyMyBitcoins on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:09PM (#48727420)
I dislike the term “domain squatting”. It should be called “domain scalping”.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by nonethewiser on Monday June 29, 2026 @10:13PM (#48727804)
Or domain ownership.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by koolala on Monday June 29, 2026 @10:28PM (#48727896)
It isn't scalping if your actually using it. It's easy to spot a scalping site since its just an advertisement to buy the domain.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by bottled_poe on Monday June 29, 2026 @10:47PM (#48727998)
Or domain leasing.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by mfru on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @05:24AM (#48730305)
i don't like normalizing people hoarding things they don't need in order to sell them for way higher prices to other people that do, do you?
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by bandrami on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @07:17AM (#48731027)
What if it's a domain I just don't want anybody to use?
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by Bjartr on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @08:52AM (#48732048)
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Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by thegrimmest on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @11:16AM (#48733923)
Trouble is that we live in an ecosystem, and "hoard the maximum you can defend, not the minimum you comfortably need" is an optimal behaviour emergent from the system.

An ecosystem with an under-exploited niche will eventually produce the behaviour that fills the niche. It's a self-optimizing system. None of this is fundamentally escapable as long as we are living organisms competing for finite resources.

Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by qq66 on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @01:20AM (#48728754)
The much simpler way to avoid squatting is to make .com domains cost $200 a year. This will instantly end the vast majority of domain squatting on the .com TLD and if people can easily get the .com they need for their business then the other TLDs are not going to have much squatting activity.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by zelphirkalt on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @03:47AM (#48729667)
How does this lend itself to self-hosting then? I think few people will pay that much to self host.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by schrodinger on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @01:45AM (#48728902)
I don't get it. How do you handle 10k people wanting, say, garden.com, without a free market?
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by prmoustache on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @02:17AM (#48729107)
first served or random from a waitlist are other options.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by schrodinger on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @09:36PM (#48741411)
First come first served is capitalism in disguise. Someone will automate a tool that watches for these and jumps on them, and the person with the most resources, can get a close network connection, etc will "buy" it.

Same with waitlists.

It's impossible to avoid capitalism!

Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by mfru on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @05:23AM (#48730299)
the most fair distribution for limited sought-after resources that are inconsequential (like domain names) are raffles. let people apply in a 4-week window and then randomly assign it to one of the applicants.

then don't allow reselling, just allow giving it back and do a raffle again

Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by markhahn on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @01:59PM (#48736587)
how about make it round-robin, so all 10k of them get a fair slice of traffic? ;)
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by oarsinsync on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @05:17AM (#48730263)
> The much simpler way to avoid squatting is to make .com domains cost $200 a year

A monopolist hiking prices to this extent will likely see legal action against them. That's a 20x increase you're proposing.

It's also unlikely to have a material effect. .com used to cost $75 a year back in the day, and that didn't stop squatters, and high value domain transfer sales. $75 in 1990s dollars is about $150-$190 today.

Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by creeble on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @03:38PM (#48738154)
Source needed: .com domains never cost more than $100/2 years, IIRC.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by oarsinsync on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @03:50PM (#48738290)
You're right, I'm confusing it for $70 to register, which registered the domain for 2 years.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by _kb on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @04:01AM (#48729753)
.id.au already has some similar requirements for associating a domain with a real world (human) identity: https://www.auda.org.au/au-domain-names/the-different-au-dom...
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by interloxia on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @05:08AM (#48730208)
Also .net.au and .com.au are not available for personal use.
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by tepitoperrito on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @05:27AM (#48730318)
These ideas are gold! Thanks for sharing. I'm gonna noodle on an unholy mix of 2) and 3) since my dynamic DNS provider just asks that you login once every 30 days and a hash of a (valid) state ID or DL would be an acceptable burden I feel for issuing a domain (or subdomain even).
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by yearolinuxdsktp on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @07:13AM (#48731001)
#2, name matching valid government ID excludes trans people who have not yet legally changed their name. Same reason they can’t get a Meta Verified status, even if paying. Thanks technology for keeping things accessible to everyone!</s>
Re:Announcing .self: A New Top-Level Domain Designed to Supp... by BrandoElFollito on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @04:49PM (#48738987)
> Sign in with passkeys linked to a national ID

With what?? Please understand that all countries are not like yours. In France this will happen in 2047 if all planets are aligned (they won't be)