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Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by Aurornis on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:10AM (#48718862)
Any mood or depression study without a control group is, unfortunately, useless.

There is an interesting effect in mood related studies where every group usually improves on average, even if they receive only placebo. The real measure of any depression study is therefore the improvement above and beyond the control group.

The effect is so predictable that it has become an easy way to produce studies showing positive effects from something: All you have to do is track some group of people and then give ALL of them your supplement, and their scores will improve. It makes great headlines because most people don’t know you could have given them sugar pills and the scores would also improve.

EDIT: As another commenter pointed out, this person has an unusual long list of financial affiliations with companies that produce drink products, too. This study should probably be ignored

Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by 404mm on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:19AM (#48718962)
Also, for anyone who ever tried to quit coffee, probably knows this— the period of feeling down, useless, slow, and tired after you quit is brutal for about 1-2 weeks and can last months for long-time coffee drinkers. No wonder people feel great after having coffee again.

And decaf is not caffeine-free. Decaf coffee still contains about 5-10% of the original caffeine content compared to the same beans but not decaffeinated.

And then there’s the tiny sample size :( and no control group. This is worse than useless. This is the kind of waste that news stations will pick and advertise.

Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by TwoFerMaggie on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:27AM (#48719036)
I've quit from daily 3-4 shots of espresso to only drinking it when I feel like it, which is about once every two weeks.

The process was mostly without discomfort: I bought decaf beans and started cutting my coffee grounds with 50% decaf. After two weeks, 75% decaf. Then 87.5%, etc. About two months later I stopped experiencing withdrawals if I don't drink any coffee at all.

Before I started cutting I would get massive headaches and become irritable if I don't drink coffee in the morning. Now I'm free!

I encourage all heavy coffee drinkers try drinking less. At some point, it stops improving your cognitive functions but instead just maintains a mediocre baseline, which I suppose is the same as almost all substance reliance.

> In fact, none of the sleep researchers or experts on circadian rhythms I interviewed for this story use caffeine.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/jul/06/caffeine-coffee...

Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by shinycode on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:43AM (#48719210)
I noticed from reading threads online that I can drink 8 espressos a day and stop having espresso for several days or weeks. I make my own from ground beans of 18g. It does nothing to me, I never felt a stimulation and only taste guides my need. If I don’t like the taste even offered in restaurant I will refuse to drink it. I don’t know why I’m like that but I never understood the discomfort phases and the stimulation ones either. Idk if I’m missing something
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by dofm on Monday June 29, 2026 @10:03AM (#48719433)
Do you have ADHD (or think you might have?)

If so the difference when you are not drinking coffee might be more disorganisation/inattentiveness/impulsivity etc. rather than being less stimulated.

I have learned that I can have four Aeropress brews per day (about 12.5g coffee per cup) and it makes me calmer, more focussed and more able to be organised. I would notice discomfort and jitters at maybe six in a day. But I can fall asleep an hour after drinking one; it has little effect on my sleep and it may even make it a little easier for me to initially fall asleep.

And then I can have nothing the next day and be fine; I only notice withdrawal on day three maybe.

The reason is, it seems, I have otherwise very unmanaged "inattentive" ADHD. (Which is a stupid name for it; I don't have the slightest problem paying attention to things that capture my interest)

Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by shinycode on Monday June 29, 2026 @01:01PM (#48721833)
Actually I never felt the need to be diagnosed with ADHD. So I just looked up online and at first-read I don’t think I have something particularly different that could classify me but I might be wrong. Pushing it I also read that there is genetic part to cafein sensitivity but my parents don’t drink coffee at all so I guess I’ll never know. It’s not really a problem though, I can drink double espresso and take a nap or go to sleep which is nice. I can enjoy very good specialty coffee without trouble
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by bluefirebrand on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:58AM (#48719377)
I am not a doctor or psychologist or anything so please take everything below with a grain of salt

I was like you in my 20s, I could drink a lot of caffeine without any effects at all. I was diagnosed with ADHD around 28. At the time my doctor told me that my high caffeine intake was maybe an unconscious way of trying to wrangle with my ADHD, because the treatment for that is stimulants.

Once I started my meds, even a low dose, I basically didn't want coffee anymore. It made a huge difference in my life

Not trying to diagnose you with anything, I just always like to tell heavy coffee drinkers my story in case it might help them if they're feeling like something is off

Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by dofm on Monday June 29, 2026 @10:05AM (#48719451)
I just volunteered the same suggestion. I am undiagnosed "inattentive" (but it's as obvious as hell, in retrospect) and I clearly self-medicate with caffeine; I used to have an awful coca-cola problem and now in my fifties I like to take a bit of care over my coffee.
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by bluefirebrand on Monday June 29, 2026 @10:11AM (#48719520)
Yep, inattentive here too

It goes undiagnosed because we aren't hyperactive problem kids in classrooms, and if we're lucky enough to be interested in the subjects we can excel in school

If you're anything like me you've been called lazy a lot in your life when really you're just too bored by stuff to engage with it?

Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by dofm on Monday June 29, 2026 @10:20AM (#48719623)
I was an above average school and uni student, yeah.

I tended not to get "lazy" too much because I guess I found a way to be interested (my father was good at pointing me to the fascinating bits of homework etc.). Though looking at my school reports in retrospect it is clear that I did much worse at things I did not care about, and if I think about times I was shouted at for doing a poor job, disinterest was why.

I do, however, fall down intellectual rabbit holes a lot because I need to be interested to get stuff done.

I am now in my fifties and the biggest problem is that I have fully burned out — very severely — because I endured such high levels of stress (caused by trying to freelance while having ADHD), that I ultimately became deadline-dependent to organise myself.

I've spent two years recovering and in that process I have learned that much of the typical advice (cut out caffeine) is wrong for me. Indeed cutting out caffeine left me depressed and eating worse. It is sugar I have to manage, which seems like an overoptimisation (I am quite skinny at times and I can forget to eat)

Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by shinycode on Monday June 29, 2026 @01:05PM (#48721912)
Actually I’ve been inattentive as a kid and when I like something time stops I can have really deep focus. But I’ve learn to dig subjects I don’t like to succeed at school and at work so idk if I have ADHD. Sometimes I really hate what I have to do at work and it can be really painful to engage with it and I procrastinate a lot. But I guess many people are like that
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by dofm on Monday June 29, 2026 @01:14PM (#48722033)
FWIW that is borderline diagnostic from what I understand.

The fact that you say "time stops" if it's something you want to, and the fact that you describe starting a task you don't want to do as painful to engage with and you procrastinate until you find some pressure to start…

I don't think this is necessarily everyone's experience at all.

And one of the problems with inattentive ADHD is that because it feels so intrinsic to us we assume it must be much like what everyone else must feel, and we don't ever question whether it is.

Another is that the IT world is absolutely rife with AuDHD and inattentive ADHD — people who canfind the puzzle in something complex, learn the hell out of it and then dive into it with unbroken focus until it is solved tend to earn a lot of money.

(How many tech people do you know who have three or four other talents or obscure hobbies that have huge potential value but remain to them underdeveloped while amazing others — playing an instrument they taught themselves, really good photography, woodworking, etc.; this is an ADHD pattern!)

And then when they begin to burn out in any given job, they confuse the burnout with structural failures of the job (it must have got worse) or with wanting a better job, so off they go to a new one, and unless you keep in touch with them over several job changes you never see the actual pattern.

The defining questions about a diagnosis are whether this pattern has negative impacts on the rest of your life. In my case… it definitely does. But I still have not sought a formal diagnosis because at this point it's just paying to be allowed to take medication I don't really want to take.

Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by bluefirebrand on Monday June 29, 2026 @02:27PM (#48723170)
> And then when they begin to burn out in any given job, they confuse the burnout with structural failures of the job (it must have got worse) or with wanting a better job, so off they go to a new one, and unless you keep in touch with them over several job changes you never see the actual pattern.

You know, I've been diagnosed for almost a decade now and working on my ADHD with counsellors and my doctor and medication and such

It still really cuts deep to see my struggles laid out so succinctly by someone who doesn't even know me and can't possibly know my struggle. It's agony knowing this pattern is "known" and yet I went so long just bashing against it fruitlessly

When I was finally diagnosed and started seeing a counsellor about it, I described it like a ticking time bomb in my head. I find something new. A new job, a new friend, a new hobby. I throw myself into it, burn out, blow it up for some reason, get depressed for a while, find something new

It's an agonizing way to live

Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by shinycode on Monday June 29, 2026 @04:43PM (#48724946)
Oh wow so sorry to hear that, never thought taking about my insensitiveness to cafeine would yield such discussion. I’m not going through what you feel and I might never know if I save some form of ADHD or not. Maybe there’s a bright side to it or at least some hope for things to get better with time. I deeply wish you the best and to find relief
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by dofm on Monday June 29, 2026 @05:07PM (#48725238)
Caffeine discussions are the gateway drug to ADHD discussions!
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by bluefirebrand on Monday June 29, 2026 @07:23PM (#48726646)
Hey, no worries. I've been doing a lot better since I was medicated, but thank you :)
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by dofm on Monday June 29, 2026 @05:15PM (#48725337)
It is really not that helpful to know that it's not a unique problem, is it? :-/
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by bluefirebrand on Monday June 29, 2026 @08:03PM (#48726946)
It makes it a little easier knowing there are others out there toughing it out like I am. Thanks for chatting, friend
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by kolinko on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:47AM (#48719262)
It is most probably metabolism/genetics dependent. For me, I didn't have much withdrawals (aside from a first week), but even a month later I was insanely sluggish and it was difficult for me to function properly.
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by dofm on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:53AM (#48719320)
More like 3.75% to 6.6% at most, depending on the bean. But this is not a very good way to think about decaffeination because coffee has to be below 0.1% caffeine by dry weight, regardless of bean, to qualify as decaf, pretty much as a global standard.

A mug of decaf has about 3% of the caffeine of a mug of non-decaf coffee, at most. It is negligible as a stimulant. The only people who would need to avoid it are those with an allergy.

Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by felix-the-cat on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:24AM (#48719003)
I needed to quit drinking caffeine and my wife decided to just start transitioning me onto decaf without telling me, each week mixing a little more into the regular coffee bean cannister until it was basically 100% decaf. It worked really well, as I didn't find out I'd been drinking 100% decaf until she told me about it.
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by TwoFerMaggie on Monday June 29, 2026 @10:05AM (#48719455)
I had the same process as you (see my comment) and it was much better than quitting it cold turkey.
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by heggy on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:45AM (#48719233)
I agree with all your points, it just leads me to this question: How did this get published in Nature Communications? Surely these are the first things raised by peer review.
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by RobotToaster on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:13AM (#48718886)
It's almost like having someone interested in your mental health (even if only to track it) is good for it?
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by theturtlemoves on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:15AM (#48718907)
You could be on to something. I mean, how many people might normally rarely get the question "How are you doing?"
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by david-gpu on Monday June 29, 2026 @10:55AM (#48720083)
"I am fine, thank you. How are you?"
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by fcatalan on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:17AM (#48718936)
My therapist asked me to track my binge eating episodes, empty log after a week...
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by tomrod on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:19AM (#48718957)
Keep tracking and reporting to someone you trust! It can really help to know others are invested in you, whether random internet strangers encouraging you or people in your life you trust.
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by ambicapter on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:31AM (#48719075)
This effect occurs even in non-mental health related studies.
Re:Caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee lower stress, depres... by ivewonyoung on Monday June 29, 2026 @09:18AM (#48718950)
That tracks with even decaf coffee having the positive effects in the study.