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Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by bojan on Monday June 08, 2026 @05:02PM (#48452006)
"Full countries" is a lie. You hear it often here in the Netherlands.

What they don't want you to hear is that 54% of the land in the country is owned by agricultural companies[0], benefitting a tiny fraction of the population.

[0] https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/achtergrond/2025/14/feiten-en-cijfe...

Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by philipallstar on Monday June 08, 2026 @06:56PM (#48453580)
The Netherlands is completely tiny compared to many of the countries people are coming from, and the land is allocated. You can't replace the farms with suburbs throughout the country, and even if you did, then what? Is it allowed to be full then? Or should people still leave their much more land-rich origins to come anyway?
Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by throwaway85825 on Monday June 08, 2026 @05:28PM (#48452395)
Are the people supposed to eat rocks? Agriculture takes a lot of land but people need to eat.

If anything agriculture is going to require more land in order to be sustainable.

Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by bojan on Monday June 08, 2026 @05:39PM (#48452558)
People do need to eat, but over 80% of the Dutch agricultural produce is being exported.

Also, good portion of it isn't even meant for human consumption. Think flowers or cattle feed.

This is not about feeding the population or about sustainability. It's simply about profit.

Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by picofarad on Monday June 08, 2026 @05:48PM (#48452701)
Are the cows pets?
Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by autoexec on Monday June 08, 2026 @09:36PM (#48455058)
If they're exporting crops that's about feeding somebody. People who would have to try to get their food elsewhere and have to worry about the standards/quality of those new sources. It's even perfectly fine for people to grow and sell flowers. There may be ways to make it more efficient, and maybe the government should be encouraging that so they can buy up some of the saved land, but I'd bet there are ecological consequences to paving over flower farms too.
Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by wqaatwt on Tuesday June 09, 2026 @02:49AM (#48457468)
Well Switzerland is effectively in the EU (economically if not politically) so same standard mostly apply anyway.
Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by selfmodruntime on Monday June 08, 2026 @05:37PM (#48452528)
well duh let's just import food from elsewhere (and completely ignore that foreign politic squabbles might crash this system)
Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by throwaway85825 on Monday June 08, 2026 @05:40PM (#48452569)
It's not like countries that import the majority of their calories have frequent food riots or anything.
Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by wqaatwt on Tuesday June 09, 2026 @02:50AM (#48457473)
There is hardly any need to import food from anywhere besides the EU, though. Which would be rather low risk.
Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by wqaatwt on Tuesday June 09, 2026 @02:48AM (#48457459)
Economically it would make more sense to import food from France, Spain etc. it would reduce the cost of living for the overwhelming majority of people with limited negative economic impact.
Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by account42 on Tuesday June 09, 2026 @09:38AM (#48461006)
And even without agriculture, a country should be considered "full" long before each acre has been turned into a concrete hellhole.
Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by shimman on Monday June 08, 2026 @05:30PM (#48452419)
Does EU have the USA problem where most farmers are basically sharecroppers where they are mandated where they can buy their seed, buy their fertilizers, where they buy their chicks/sows/calfs, what equipment they can buy, how they can repair their equipment, where they can sell their crops, and at what specific prices all from a single undemocratic corporation?

In the USA it's basically corporations that run everything and drive the farmers into poverty where said corporations can then buy their land and rely on undocumented workers to keep the abuse going.

From the outside EU farmers seem to have better labor relations, but don't know.

Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by greggoB on Monday June 08, 2026 @05:51PM (#48452725)
Swiss here, living in a small town quite close to farmers. I would expect if it was the case here, I would have heard about it, given my proximity. I'm aware of this "arrangement" in the US, never heard of it happening anywhere in the EU - I haven't done a comprehensive study though, maybe someone with more knowledge can say more.
Re:Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M by Chu4eeno on Tuesday June 09, 2026 @10:50AM (#48461917)
Considering EU farmers tend to riot with their tractors in the capitals of countries which try to control them I doubt it.

AFAIK Norwegian farmers fear of things like this was what kept Norway out of EU even with two referendums (or at least one of the distinguishing factors).