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Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by jfengel on Saturday June 06, 2026 @11:31AM (#48425991)
Fortunately, the administration's party believes that control belongs to the states and not in the hands of Washington bureaucrats.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by zdragnar on Saturday June 06, 2026 @11:59AM (#48426247)
Considering that most of the rules states would introduce would run a foul of interstate commerce, it seems like a good way to get ahead of pointless lawsuits.

Note that these rules apply to the development of AI, not any restriction on how it is used in e.g. schools, communications etc.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by Retric on Saturday June 06, 2026 @12:16PM (#48426404)
Interstate commerce has been redefined to mean both way less and way more than the phrase might seem to imply. States can for example introduce rules on emissions when no cars are manufactured in that state.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by cyanydeez on Saturday June 06, 2026 @01:32PM (#48427107)
unless it involves abortions, then it's whatever the Republican parties want to punish women. Or minorities. or black people.

Infact, rules only matter when we're talking about people we dont like.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by codeddesign on Saturday June 06, 2026 @05:20PM (#48429115)
Do you plan on selling the fetuses? This is associated with commerce and inter-state use.

During Covid, their were individual state laws around employment vaccinations.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by cataphract on Saturday June 06, 2026 @01:58PM (#48427339)
Not really. The only reason California was able to do this is because it got waivers for the federal law preemption rule (in the Clean Air Act).
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by Retric on Saturday June 06, 2026 @05:52PM (#48429361)
We’re currently in the process of revoking California’s exception. However that’s a more complicated legal issue than the feds get to do whatever they want.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by 9021007 on Sunday June 07, 2026 @12:58AM (#48431957)
Who is “we” in this sentence?
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by Retric on Sunday June 07, 2026 @02:30AM (#48432409)
America. It’s going through the courts which means California is involved as are other interested parties.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by mikem170 on Saturday June 06, 2026 @02:47PM (#48427767)
Does the interestate commerce clause preclude state laws pertaining to implementation and usage?

For example, can a state outlaw public plate/facial recognition cameras, or usage of social network data and AI by local police?

You could still buy AI, but The People decided you can't use it on the public for anything and everything just because big tech profits.

Or has that become the point of the interstate commerce clause, that big companies can maximize profits in cooperation (lobbying) with one federal government, instead of being inconvenienced with the laws of fifty states, in this the richest country of the world?

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by zdragnar on Sunday June 07, 2026 @09:44AM (#48434794)
States already have a wide range of very restrictive laws on the sale and use of firearms and alcohol. Neither of these categories get challenged on interstate commerce grounds, if they get challenged.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by dh2022 on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:16PM (#48428018)
Do you have an example of an AI state rule that does not obey the interstate commerce law?
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by LastTrain on Saturday June 06, 2026 @05:52PM (#48429368)
Thanks for confirming what we always knew - you never actually gave two shits about states rights, thus confirming OPs point.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by zdragnar on Sunday June 07, 2026 @09:46AM (#48434823)
I'd love to see Wickard v. Filburn overturned, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. This is the reality we live in.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by polski-g on Saturday June 06, 2026 @11:29PM (#48431502)
Most state laws would also run a foul of Bernstein v DOJ: computer code is free speech just like French is.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by voidfunc on Saturday June 06, 2026 @11:42AM (#48426086)
Sarcasm right?
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by bigyabai on Saturday June 06, 2026 @11:43AM (#48426091)
It's been a joke ever since The Lost Cause was invented.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by smallmancontrov on Saturday June 06, 2026 @12:08PM (#48426350)
Well, before they lost the Civil War they believed that "states rights" should apply to the administration of slavery but not the non-administration of slavery (the Fugitive Slave Laws). The hypocrisy runs deep.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by shermantanktop on Saturday June 06, 2026 @12:28PM (#48426523)
Such “beliefs” are cooked up by people who are mostly self-serving and insincere. We’d call them “political operatives” today I guess.

Unfortunately other people hear the ideas, internalize them, and repeat them, without recognizing any contradictions.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by Larrikin on Saturday June 06, 2026 @12:47PM (#48426690)
Just call them racist. They don't like that
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by mlinhares on Saturday June 06, 2026 @01:00PM (#48426823)
Don’t think they care that much about that anymore.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by analognoise on Saturday June 06, 2026 @11:44AM (#48426097)
Fascist parties aren’t worried about logical inconsistency, they’re only worried about the pursuit of unchecked power. They crossed that bridge some time ago.

These aren’t the old breed of Republicans who disagreed but at least were consistent.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by yieldcrv on Saturday June 06, 2026 @12:22PM (#48426463)
amusing, but the pattern actually is clear. they don’t like laws created by courts, and when there isn’t an affirming law matching the court decision passed by Congress then it falls back to the states.

so if Congress passes the law its fine, Congress just happens to not have a consensus forming mechanism for things the parties choose to be interested in, for decades.

Courts striking down a law passed by the legislature, voter referendum (exclusive to some states) or agency - fine, tolerable.

Courts creating a national law in the absence of one by the legislature - not fine, intolerable. Only fixable by the court overruling itself or constitutional amendment.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by jfengel on Saturday June 06, 2026 @01:43PM (#48427211)
They are routinely thrilled when it's law passed by the courts in their favor. The court has made a bewildering set of rulings on gerrymandering whose only commonality is they they always favor Republicans.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by yesco on Saturday June 06, 2026 @02:09PM (#48427417)
You can agree or disagree with the consequences, but the voting rights act never had any explicit provisions about districting, this was something conjured entirely by the courts. It was even framed as a temporary measure at the time of the original ruling.

So not exactly bewildering, I personally saw it as closer to inevitable. The Supreme Court never had the power to legislate, it can only interpret, and a shaky interpretation always has an expiration date no matter how popular it is.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by yieldcrv on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:58PM (#48428422)
It fits the pattern perfectly

The court invalidated part of an existing law passed by Congress, it didn’t create a national framework in the absence of any law never passed by Congress

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by onlyrealcuzzo on Saturday June 06, 2026 @12:37PM (#48426586)
Small government, unless it gets in the way of a certain billionaire's plans to ram AI / unsafe autonomous vehicles down your throats.

The interesting thing is... The only people who seem to hate all things AI more than liberals are MAGA, so it'll be interesting how this is spun.

I just really don't see anyone except AI-bulls like Kevin O'Leary who think it's in everyone's best interest for people to have no say on AI.

To be clear, I'm an AI bull myself, and I think most things are good, but I also think people and communities should be able to have their say, and I think anyone who doesn't - doesn't deserve to call themselves anything other than an authoritarian.

If the people don't know what's good for them, it isn't a them problem it's a you problem, not a ram it down their throats cause it's best for them problem...

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by anigbrowl on Saturday June 06, 2026 @12:54PM (#48426764)
The only people who seem to hate all things AI more than liberals are MAGA

Why do you say this? Going by MAGA types online, they seem extremely willing to rely on it for opinions and to generate political 'art'.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by bryanrasmussen on Saturday June 06, 2026 @12:56PM (#48426780)
>The only people who seem to hate all things AI more than liberals are MAGA,

It seems to me that meme usage tells a decidedly different story.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by rayiner on Saturday June 06, 2026 @01:42PM (#48427195)
“Control” of what? The type of thing is relevant. E.g. Nobody says regulating trains or airlines belongs to states. Similarly, nobody says the internet should be regulated by states.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by Barrin92 on Saturday June 06, 2026 @01:56PM (#48427325)
haven't countless of red American states passed age verification laws in relation to adult entertainment recently? Or is that different because there's only AI but no porn oligarchs in Washington?
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by kyledrake on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:35PM (#48428202)
It's not different and it should also be done on a federal level, instead of 50 different governments passing random crazy internet laws. When you have to do compliance for hundreds of laws in 50 different states it basically becomes impossible to do it and you end up in this weird position where you're probably breaking a law somewhere and you don't even know about it.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by hollerith on Sunday June 07, 2026 @10:27AM (#48435178)
>it basically becomes impossible to do it

Those of us who want to "unnormalize" porn consider that a feature.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by trumpdong on Sunday June 07, 2026 @10:29AM (#48435197)
Why do you hate freedom?
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by rayiner on Sunday June 07, 2026 @12:35PM (#48436421)
The founders' conception of "freedom" was different than the modern "anything goes" version. It was closer to the idea that moral and disciplined people could be trusted with freedom. As John Adams said: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by trumpdong on Sunday June 07, 2026 @06:56PM (#48439478)
And people can't be trusted to uphold the constitution if they watch porn?
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by rayiner on Monday June 08, 2026 @10:35AM (#48445973)
I think John Adams would have said "no." Not only because of the prurient aspect, but the lack of self control it implies. But my point was more that “freedom” as it is understood in the american canon is a narrower concept that in post-modern liberalism.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by TimorousBestie on Monday June 08, 2026 @01:29PM (#48448321)
Adams had many disagreements with Franklin over matters of state, culture, and once famously over whether the window should be left open at night, but I can find no evidence of Adams saying that Franklin’s well-known whoring disqualified him from the practice of statecraft, let alone citizenship. He had plenty of praise for Franklin, in fact.

Here are some collected anecdotes, including Adams delighting in an explicit caricature he saw passed around at a dinner in France that portrayed Franklin with a female personification of America.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20090161?seq=9

Also therein:

> Thus, while certainly not a roué, Adams-though he may have envied Franklin's flair for the courtly graces, and may have frowned slightly upon Franklin's way with the ladies-does not really seem to have felt much indignation toward the sage's somewhat uninhibited private life, and neither of these things can be interpreted as being decisive factors in turning Adams against Franklin.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by rayiner on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:35PM (#48430200)
Moral regulation is the domain of the states, so that example is in fact different.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by ericio on Saturday June 06, 2026 @06:27PM (#48429647)
Would you say growing wheat to feed your own farm animals should be regulated by the federal government? SCOTUS decided in Wikard v Filburn [1] that a farmer growing wheat for private use was in fact inter-state commerce. This decision has been used to uphold all manner of federal laws that on their face appear to regulate private conduct totally within the confines of a single state.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by rayiner on Sunday June 07, 2026 @10:33AM (#48435232)
I think Wickard was wrongly decided.
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by themafia on Saturday June 06, 2026 @02:33PM (#48427627)
Unfortunately, there's always someone to blindly inject party politics into HN threads.

So, is what you're saying, is that if the "other party" had a majority, this wouldn't happen? Or.. what are you trying to convey? You don't like republicans and find them hypocritical?

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by jubilanti on Saturday June 06, 2026 @02:41PM (#48427708)
#1 this is literally a thread about laws in the US Congress, how is this not about party politics?

#2 they are alluding to how, historically, Republicans have advocated against so many regulations and social services, under the rationale of "State's Rights." But the new Republican party under Trump has repeatedly been enforcing nationwide conservative policies that completely trample on the states and give so much centralized power to the federal government.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by themafia on Saturday June 06, 2026 @02:47PM (#48427758)
Laws can have bipartisan support or disapproval. So just because a law was passed does not mean "party politics" were involved, or that fealty to a president was the motivation. If you automatically think these things I think you're depriving yourself of the deeper understanding that _money_ controls politics.

The Republican party under Trump is not "new" by any stretch of the imagination. It's the same tired old story since the 1990s. Which I guess is my real complaint. You're just throwing out a 30 year old party line to get votes, not to derive any insight, or to engage with any plan to _fight_ this insanity. I mean, what would the solution be, just end the Republican party and move to a one party state?

That it was at the top of the thread I found rather cheap and frivolous.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by sanktanglia on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:05PM (#48427921)
Trump's gop has been extreme to levels not seen for generations so yes it is quite new. Previously Republicans attempted to pretend they cared about a number of things, now if they hate gays and Democrats and foreigners enough publicly, that's the only thing they need to be elected
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by themafia on Monday June 08, 2026 @12:28AM (#48441342)
Were you alive during the Iraq War, Operation Fast and Furious and/or COVID? What basis do you use to measure "extremity?"

I think you're operating from a very cherry picked and limited set of facts about political operations over the past 50 years.

They shot JFK and still act like they have no clue how it happened. They murdered a president and felt they didn't have to get justice for him.

Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by sanktanglia on Thursday June 11, 2026 @01:38PM (#48493619)
Ahh yes operation fast and furious, conservatives favorite gotcha that is in no way comparable to the current administration in terms of extremeness or cruelness. And good job using ageism to try and win your terrible argument, it was a really compelling argument
Re:US House lawmakers release draft bill to prohibit state A... by bdangubic on Saturday June 06, 2026 @02:38PM (#48427672)
the last one. states rights only when convenient :)