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Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by josephg on Saturday June 06, 2026 @06:50AM (#48423604)
Me too. I’m going to wait a few more years before I visit again.

I‘m also careful with what I say online. US CBP tracks what people post online, and has been known to deny entry to people for being critical critical of the current president. I don’t want to risk losing out on future opportunities in the land of the free.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by GoblinSlayer on Saturday June 06, 2026 @06:58AM (#48423662)
Just don't visit USA and you will be fine.
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by IshKebab on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:13AM (#48423772)
Not practical in many cases. I'm starting a new job soon and have to visit the US. No way am I saying no to that (way too good a job).

I'll probably just buy a decoy phone for the border.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by BLKNSLVR on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:31AM (#48423887)
Start setting up profiles ASAP, you want a plausible amount of history for a decoy.
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by hod6654 on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:35PM (#48430618)
How would one do that?
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by rvnx on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:41AM (#48423954)
Be respectful of the tradition, culture and laws of the local country that you visit and you will be fine.

It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest.

The same way if I travel to US, Russia, China, Germany, Iran or wherever, if the rules say "no porno" or "do not criticize the royal family" (e.g. UAE or Thailand), then I will respect the rules.

In the US these border rules exist because they want to check phones of people who might pose a danger to the country and its institutions. If you insult the US, the police, their government, you increase your odds to be checked because you might represent an actual danger, that's fair enough.

If you write Glory to Ukraine everywhere, and the Russia checks your phone, this is fair as well.

The other way around too, if you write on the internet everywhere Glory to Russia, do not be surprised if you get an additional check or rejection.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by dijit on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:47AM (#48424006)
thought the culture was “free speech”

if you’re denied at the border for expressing speech online at some historic point (non-violent) then how can “respecting the culture” work?

When I am in Saudi Arabia, I don’t wear shorts out of respect for their culture; but they don’t go through my instagram looking for pictures of me in shorts.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by picofarad on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:57AM (#48424080)
Free speech for peoples in our country. Not for foreign citizens to bad mouth our country and then come over here and expect us to welcome them with open arms.
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by dijit on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:05AM (#48424154)
Got it. Opinions are wrong if we have them, but you should be embraced with open arms if you have them about our country.

https://dailycaller.com/2026/06/05/jd-vance-henry-nowak-kirp...

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by genewitch on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:41AM (#48424502)
Our VP saying he's upset at both the specific case and the causes thereof of a horrifically botched UK police job.... means... what?

Have you listened to your leaders? ever? We do! von der Lyon is my favorite!

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by dijit on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:42AM (#48424526)
you might notice that we don’t ban people at the border for being critical of our politicians.

Despite not banging our chests about free speech quite so much.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by genewitch on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:02AM (#48424695)
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by dijit on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:03AM (#48424701)
exactly. we don’t have free speech in the UK.

Why are you supporting my point?

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by genewitch on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:13AM (#48424772)
in the US we have free speech for citizens (generally). People in foreign countries are not citizens of the US. they do not receive the benefit of our free speech protections (whatever those may be), since they are not, in fact, citizens of the US.

you replied with an article about the US Vice President decrying what happened. I thought that to be a non-sequitur, so i asked what you were trying to say.

You said you don't arrest people at your border for [speech].

i responded to that non-sequitur with two reports of people being arrested for speech, who cares if it's at the border? that's UK citizens being arrested for "speech", not foreigners! Like, thanks, i guess, for letting us have free speech when you don't?

and here we are.

* note: i don't think we arrest people at the border, just deny entry. i could be mistaken, though.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by microtonal on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:33AM (#48424432)
Fine, we won't be spending our money as a tourist in the US then. Your loss.

I'll welcome tourists to Europe, even if our opinions don't align (but JD and Elo, you can leave your election meddling at home).

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by 76SlashDolphin on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:43AM (#48424531)
But other countries allow you to do so, yet you claim that the US is a bastion of free speech?
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by abc123abc123 on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:34AM (#48424959)
There is no culture there to respect. That is why I'd never visit at all. As for the US, probably 0.000001% or so had sad experiences at the border. Those are good odds for having a great vacation.

In fairness, all western democracies have an enormous number of laws, so most citizens are already in violation of some tiny law or paragraph somewhere.

Is this right? No, not at all. But that should not lead us to stop living our lives in search of some utopia that will never exist under democracy.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by josephg on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:59AM (#48425241)
> As for the US, probably 0.000001% or so had sad experiences at the border.

Heh it’s a lot more than that. About 1/3rd of my Australian friends have a story to tell about unfortunate US border crossing experiences. I personally know two (white) people who were denied entry at the border - in both cases for allegedly ridiculous reasons.

My partner was arrested at the beach once in the US. The police wanted her to narc on someone she was travelling with and she refused. (The case was thrown out of court by a furious judge, but it was a whole thing).

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by pyrale on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:04AM (#48424139)
> Be respectful of the tradition, culture and laws of the local country that you visit and you will be fine.

> It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest.

I will plead Poe's law here.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by justin66 on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:49AM (#48424017)
It must be difficult traveling the world and remembering all the different ways to be servile.
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by alpinisme on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:28AM (#48424381)
> Think of it like being a guest

But I only hold guests responsible for what they say while in my home. Not what they have said to their friends in DMs 6 months beforehand.

But the analogy is imprecise because the border patrol isn’t inviting people and revoking invitations when they misbehave. They are granting access to public spaces or revoking that. And the idea that a public place should do anything more than gate on current activity in that place is insane (for speech!)

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by rvnx on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:36AM (#48424992)
If your guests are bad mouthing you in a private WhatsApp group, would you still invite them ?
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by alpinisme on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:38AM (#48425007)
That’s why I said the analogy was imperfect. Because border guards (or the state) aren’t “inviting” anyone. It’s not an endorsement to let people in (unlike a friend to your house)
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by rvnx on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:44AM (#48425073)
If I would push it further to the extreme, "you" are inviting yourself. You're not a guest yet, you're inviting yourself, showing up at a stranger's door asking to be let in.

Though I agree with you that analogies have limits.

I am not even sure of anything at this point, especially after reading the comments around, almost as if it was bigotry.

It could be a cultural / education difference too; I was taught that local cultures are equally legitimate as much as my personal culture.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by trumpdong on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:54AM (#48425177)
The US border is the door to the house of which stranger?
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by dmitrygr on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:18AM (#48424827)
In a world where people get canceled for things they said a decade ago, and for people whom they are friends with, and for what those friends said a decade ago, you are walking a fine line by not screening your guests’ past DMs
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by Hizonner on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:40AM (#48425033)
> It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest.

Well, that's a pretty damned repulsive view.

Countries, governments, whatever, don't have a right to just do whatever they want to their citizens without anybody else noticing. All individuals morally outrank all institutions.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by josephg on Saturday June 06, 2026 @10:16AM (#48425357)
As a counterpoint: I lived in Melbourne, Australia during the pandemic. We were going for elimination. We tried some of the world’s strictest lockdown laws.

Apparently there were protests in NY of all places on our behalf. I don’t know what they were hoping would happen - would the state of NY ask our state to change our laws for them? How bizarre. Our local policies are up to us, thanks.

Surely NY had other things to worry about at the time? The news we were hearing of ambulances in NY queueing outside overpacked hospitals… though I suppose the media there was saying equally scary things about life in Melbourne.

Our lockdowns didn’t work, but we loved our state premier for trying. He was so popular that the following election, the other political parties didn’t really bother to show up. The opinion of New Yorkers was against the will of most locals here. It was sweet to protest for us. But it had very weird vibes.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by microtonal on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:29AM (#48424392)
I‘m also careful with what I say online. US CBP tracks what people post online, and has been known to deny entry to people for being critical critical of the current president. I don’t want to risk losing out on future opportunities in the land of the free.

I will rather choose not to visit the US for the foreseeable time, maybe never again (have been to the US more than 10 times). Freedom of speech is more important than tourist visits to the US. Well and working there was never an option for me, worker protection, universal healthcare, etc. make life much nicer.

Maybe the US will be free enough again in the future, but with its trajectory, I am not betting on it.