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Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by dijit on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:47AM (#48424006)
thought the culture was “free speech”

if you’re denied at the border for expressing speech online at some historic point (non-violent) then how can “respecting the culture” work?

When I am in Saudi Arabia, I don’t wear shorts out of respect for their culture; but they don’t go through my instagram looking for pictures of me in shorts.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by picofarad on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:57AM (#48424080)
Free speech for peoples in our country. Not for foreign citizens to bad mouth our country and then come over here and expect us to welcome them with open arms.
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by dijit on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:05AM (#48424154)
Got it. Opinions are wrong if we have them, but you should be embraced with open arms if you have them about our country.

https://dailycaller.com/2026/06/05/jd-vance-henry-nowak-kirp...

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by genewitch on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:41AM (#48424502)
Our VP saying he's upset at both the specific case and the causes thereof of a horrifically botched UK police job.... means... what?

Have you listened to your leaders? ever? We do! von der Lyon is my favorite!

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by dijit on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:42AM (#48424526)
you might notice that we don’t ban people at the border for being critical of our politicians.

Despite not banging our chests about free speech quite so much.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by genewitch on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:02AM (#48424695)
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by dijit on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:03AM (#48424701)
exactly. we don’t have free speech in the UK.

Why are you supporting my point?

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by genewitch on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:13AM (#48424772)
in the US we have free speech for citizens (generally). People in foreign countries are not citizens of the US. they do not receive the benefit of our free speech protections (whatever those may be), since they are not, in fact, citizens of the US.

you replied with an article about the US Vice President decrying what happened. I thought that to be a non-sequitur, so i asked what you were trying to say.

You said you don't arrest people at your border for [speech].

i responded to that non-sequitur with two reports of people being arrested for speech, who cares if it's at the border? that's UK citizens being arrested for "speech", not foreigners! Like, thanks, i guess, for letting us have free speech when you don't?

and here we are.

* note: i don't think we arrest people at the border, just deny entry. i could be mistaken, though.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by microtonal on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:33AM (#48424432)
Fine, we won't be spending our money as a tourist in the US then. Your loss.

I'll welcome tourists to Europe, even if our opinions don't align (but JD and Elo, you can leave your election meddling at home).

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by 76SlashDolphin on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:43AM (#48424531)
But other countries allow you to do so, yet you claim that the US is a bastion of free speech?
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by abc123abc123 on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:34AM (#48424959)
There is no culture there to respect. That is why I'd never visit at all. As for the US, probably 0.000001% or so had sad experiences at the border. Those are good odds for having a great vacation.

In fairness, all western democracies have an enormous number of laws, so most citizens are already in violation of some tiny law or paragraph somewhere.

Is this right? No, not at all. But that should not lead us to stop living our lives in search of some utopia that will never exist under democracy.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by josephg on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:59AM (#48425241)
> As for the US, probably 0.000001% or so had sad experiences at the border.

Heh it’s a lot more than that. About 1/3rd of my Australian friends have a story to tell about unfortunate US border crossing experiences. I personally know two (white) people who were denied entry at the border - in both cases for allegedly ridiculous reasons.

My partner was arrested at the beach once in the US. The police wanted her to narc on someone she was travelling with and she refused. (The case was thrown out of court by a furious judge, but it was a whole thing).