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Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by cosmos0072 on Friday May 15, 2026 @04:19PM (#48153300)
From Italy, https://www.gutenberg.org/ gives a 404 error and https://gutenberg.org/ opens a very official-looking page stating "police notice. This site is under judicial seizure" and references a sentence number: "criminal proceedings 52127/20 R.N.R.I. tribunal of Rome"

Any idea what's happening? I thought PG published public domain books...

Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by cosmos0072 on Friday May 15, 2026 @04:23PM (#48153349)
Found: it's a sentence from 2020, and PG decided not to appeal (!?)

Full story (in Italian) at https://www.wired.it/internet/web/2020/06/30/progetto-gutenb...

Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by charonn0 on Friday May 15, 2026 @04:28PM (#48153399)
Seems like a case for HTTP 451 (Unavailable for Legal Reasons) rather than 404.
Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by amelius on Saturday May 16, 2026 @09:38AM (#48160184)
HTTP 666 (We're evil) seems more fitting here.
Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by johndough on Friday May 15, 2026 @04:45PM (#48153568)
It looks like the issue was that, in Italy, copyright expires 70 years after the death of the author or the first translator of a work.
Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by JSeiko on Friday May 15, 2026 @05:54PM (#48154406)
PG works based on US copyright law. And as I understand it that's also 70 years after author/translator death. My gut feeling is that if anyone tried hard enough this ban could probably get lifted
Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by robin_reala on Saturday May 16, 2026 @02:38PM (#48162620)
That’s only the case for works published after the mid-70s. For works published before (which is all current PD books in the US), it’s 95 years after the date of publication, with a few exceptions where people failed to file renewal notices.
Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by dgellow on Friday May 15, 2026 @06:21PM (#48154692)
It was also blocked in Germany for a while due to a court order https://cand.pglaf.org/germany/index.html
Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by tangledhelix on Friday May 15, 2026 @08:11PM (#48155541)
The Alfred Döblin books are still blocked in Germany (for a couple more years).
Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by JSeiko on Friday May 15, 2026 @04:26PM (#48153373)
I asked Claude to research the background story: "In May 2020, the Court of Rome ordered Italian ISPs to seize/block a list of domains as part of a criminal case (the 52127/20 R.N.R. you're seeing) targeting sites and Telegram channels distributing pirated newspapers and magazines. 28 domains were on the list, and Project Gutenberg got thrown in alongside the actual pirate sites."

apparently this situation hasn't been resolved yet

Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by GJim on Monday May 18, 2026 @05:19AM (#48177148)
> I asked Claude

Please don't do this.

Quote an authoritative source, not some AI bot known for ~~hallucinating~~ bullshitting.

Re:Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better by gluejar on Saturday May 16, 2026 @03:15PM (#48162929)
A silly legal tribunal confused PG with pirate sites. We sent the tribunal a letter pointing out their error but it was ignored. The block was served on local dns providers so many Italian users evade the block by using DNS from Google or Cloudflare.