News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:It’s Toasted by cermicelli on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:26AM (#47972103)
Can we just, I mean just stop using and caring about most social media. Especially facebook, it offers no meaningful value. It's slow, obtuse and haven't made life better for anyone in the last decade I suppose.

Maybe whatsapp has some use, but otherwise what's even the point. I don't even have ads on whatsapp not yet anyways, I will get my family to switch when they do.

I don't care about you Meta/Facebook or whatever it is.

Re:It’s Toasted by Kiro on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:44AM (#47972216)
Easier said than done. You're still here, which is understandable since Hacker News is by far the most addictive one.
Re:It’s Toasted by nsowz on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:28AM (#47972442)
Hacker News is a forum, not social media.
Re:It’s Toasted by holmesworcester on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:46AM (#47972529)
Good luck finding any objective distinction between HN, Reddit, WhatsApp, Signal, or email + listserv and "social media"!

Or finding any one of "social media's harms" that could not, in some world where Facebook, Instagram, and Tiktok did not exist, be delivered in just as socially harmful (and beneficial) a form by sufficiently-accessible versions of the apps and protocols you value and use every day.

I met someone recently whose primary addiction is Wikipedia.

For me, Signal and Hacker News are the most addictive pieces of software I still use.

Serial television (best delivered by WebTorrent and The Pirate Bay) is by far the most addictive, for me, so much so that I had to quit.

And you can definitely run successful social movements and political campaigns (for both very good and very bad things) over HN or WhatsApp/Signal, given sufficient adoption.

Re:It’s Toasted by nsowz on Friday May 01, 2026 @05:15AM (#47972686)
> I met someone recently whose primary addiction is Wikipedia.

I met someone recently whose primary addiction is whisky. Therefore, whisky is social media.

Re:It’s Toasted by xigoi on Friday May 01, 2026 @05:16AM (#47972692)
> Good luck finding any objective distinction between HN, Reddit, WhatsApp, Signal, or email + listserv and "social media"!

Hacker News:

• doesn’t have a personalized feed

• encourages intellectual discussion rather than brainrot

• doesn’t support images or videos

Re:It’s Toasted by Kiro on Friday May 01, 2026 @11:59AM (#47976307)
Doesn't matter. Just as addictive and many of the same hazards apply. We are no better than people doom scrolling Facebook.
Re:It’s Toasted by red-iron-pine on Friday May 01, 2026 @11:41AM (#47976069)
ycombinator ain't doing this as a charity, mate.

it's here to increase visibility of the ycombinator brand, it's startups, and the technologies related to what they do. discussions around it were going to happen anyway, so own those and shape.

create an ecosystem, and then mold / skim / ingest / bask in it.

it's the same reason why BigCorps try really, really hard to get ownership / mod control of subreddits, and/or having their marketing assets responding to discussions in their sub or elsewhere.

Re:It’s Toasted by praptak on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:46AM (#47972226)
You could make a similar noble call for everyone to just stop using cigarettes in 1950.

It would not work. What ultimately worked were laws designed to curb tobacco use combined with public education campaigns.

Re:It’s Toasted by graemep on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:32AM (#47972465)
I think attitudes mattered more than law, but some laws (e.g. advertising restrictions, and packaging requirements) may have helped change attitudes, but growing awareness of the health issues was the key.

In 1950 tobacco was cool. By 2000 it was very definitely not. In western Europe at least, sales of premium brands were falling sharply and volumes shifting to cheap brands - a lot less profitable even for the same volume. Long before UK law changed to ban indoor smoking most offices started banning smoking indoors, and pubs started doing so too (a major chain, Wetherspoons, gradually banned smoking at all its pubs).

The manufacturers tried to grow in other markets - one tobacco company investor relations person showed me some beautiful pastel coloured cigarettes in a very fancy box aimed at Eastern Europe. It did not work in the long run as attitudes changed globally.

Re:It’s Toasted by jhbadger on Friday May 01, 2026 @07:39AM (#47973610)
Definitely. Smoking used to be the default and non-smokers were viewed as being eccentric like vegetarians/vegans still are today and having a small non-smoking section was seen as something for "those people" like restaurants that have just one or two meatless options now. It was a huge social shift regarding smoking starting in the early 1990s -- decades after the health issues were known.
Re:It’s Toasted by red-iron-pine on Friday May 01, 2026 @11:36AM (#47976022)
it was not cool by 200 because there were explicit laws banning marketing campaigns to make it cool -- marketing works.

literally, you can't sell this to kids and ads designed to make it seem cool to kids are verboten.

the laws made the change.

Re:It’s Toasted by BLKNSLVR on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:37AM (#47972171)
The problem is it that it has a helluva lot of momentum from normies. Easily enough to outweigh the resistance of the likes of you and me.

The only thing will break it is a better / easier alternative. And with enough success that will probably turn into the next big bad.

Re:It’s Toasted by ramon156 on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:59AM (#47972298)
> normies

I would argue that it's more or less that humans don't like change, and that boomers get upset about change. It seems that the older you get, the more egotistical/selfish you become.

I'm not saying my grandma is selfish for not wanting to switch away from WhatsApp, but I am saying that it'd be hard to convince her to switch, hence I don't try.

Re:It’s Toasted by wiseowise on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:18AM (#47972384)
> It seems that the older you get, the more self-respect you develop.

FTFY.

Re:It’s Toasted by BLKNSLVR on Friday May 01, 2026 @07:20AM (#47973465)
Only if you switch off all the consumer hostile platforms...
Re:It’s Toasted by lelanthran on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:42AM (#47972505)
> I'm not saying my grandma is selfish for not wanting to switch away from WhatsApp, but I am saying that it'd be hard to convince her to switch, hence I don't try.

Ever considered that you may be the selfish one for even wanting her to switch?

You want to make your life more convenient at the expense of her convenience because switching from whatsapp is a huge inconvenience.

Re:It’s Toasted by orwin on Friday May 01, 2026 @06:31AM (#47973131)
It's not about age, it's about social connections that keeps you on your toes all life long.
Re:It’s Toasted by swiftcoder on Friday May 01, 2026 @05:33AM (#47972776)
> Maybe whatsapp has some use

WhatsApp is a real hard breakup in much of the world. It's the defacto standard for communication around here, and even a bunch of businesses use it exclusively. One can hope the EU will eventually mandate unlimited SMS on cellphone plans, but I don't see WhatsApp being dethroned another way

Re:It’s Toasted by vladvasiliu on Friday May 01, 2026 @05:59AM (#47972936)
> One can hope the EU will eventually mandate unlimited SMS on cellphone plans, but I don't see WhatsApp being dethroned another way

I doubt it.

Here in France, cell plans have had unlimited SMS for a very long time now. Yet, WhatsApp still is extremely widespread. Now, I'm not the most socially connected guy around, so I may not be attuned to any new developing trends in the matter, but IME it doesn't seem to lose any popularity, and something like 95% of the people I interact with on WhatsApp are locals.

Re:It’s Toasted by unmole on Friday May 01, 2026 @05:49AM (#47972872)
The UX and feature set of WhatsApp is much better than SMS. India has practically free SMS but WhatsApp remains pervasive.
Re:It’s Toasted by finghin on Friday May 01, 2026 @05:56AM (#47972918)
WhatsApp is the “best” Meta app by far. It does just offer an easy, secure way of contacting people using their phone number, through text, voice, images, video.

None of their other apps come close. It doesn’t even look like a Meta product to me.

Re:It’s Toasted by jeraldbenny on Friday May 01, 2026 @06:00AM (#47972942)
Meta acquired WhatsApp, thats why its the best
Re:It’s Toasted by swiftcoder on Friday May 01, 2026 @09:09AM (#47974386)
They acquired instagram too, and somehow they transformed that into the same sort of shithole as modern Facebook...
Re:It’s Toasted by finghin on Saturday May 02, 2026 @05:15AM (#47984779)
As the other user pointed out, it definitely stands out among other product acquisitions.
Re:It’s Toasted by Timwi on Sunday May 03, 2026 @06:50PM (#48002428)
What makes WhatsApp superior to Telegram and/or Signal?
Re:It’s Toasted by wrxd on Friday May 01, 2026 @08:46AM (#47974166)
Unlimited SMS isn't the solution. In fact most of the countries where Whatsapp is dominant already have unlimited SMS (probably because pretty much nobody is using it anymore).

What I'd like to see is interoperability so that I am not forced to use Whatsapp because everyone else is using it and my friends in the US aren't forced to buy an iPhone just to use iMessage

Re:It’s Toasted by qgin on Friday May 01, 2026 @02:14PM (#47978073)
"Everyone will not just"