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Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by calmbonsai on Sunday April 19, 2026 @12:50PM (#47825631)
Good. Many Canadians view Carney as a "war-time" PM and I think that's accurate.

The Trump administration has treated Canada and Canadians appallingly. It will take many years and another President, but I hope the U.S. can repair relations. The onus is on us.

Canada honored its commitments. The U.S. started this stupid trade war.

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by CoastalCoder on Sunday April 19, 2026 @02:05PM (#47826260)
I fear it's going to take more than just one other president.

Now we've all see what one bad POTUS can do to the world, and I don't know if/how/why the world would trulyove past that.

It reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode "The Shelter" [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shelter_(The_Twilight_Zone...

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by throwatdem12311 on Sunday April 19, 2026 @12:59PM (#47825714)
It’s gonna take more than a dem POTUS sucking up to us to fix this. MAGA will outlast Trump and the everlasting threat of another lunatic Republican president doing this crap again means this isn’t going away as easily as replacing a president.
Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by hyperman1 on Sunday April 19, 2026 @02:32PM (#47826479)
Before Trump, there was Bush Jr. The world's view on him was also dim, but 9/11/2001 made the world cut the USA a lot of slack. It turns out he was the new normal, instead of a temporary savage spot. Trump is not the only USA leader in the back of the world's mind.
Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by wk_end on Sunday April 19, 2026 @03:38PM (#47827004)
Bush II was awful in all sorts of ways; it's not crazy to say that as chaotic as Trump's first presidency was, it was nowhere near as destructive as Bush's terms. I in no way want to white-wash Bush, which I feel like some people have done in the wake of Trump.

But despite that, Bush's presidency was generally continuous with American presidencies since World War II. He still, at root, steered the ship as though he were a believer in the narrative of America as a leader of the free world, rather than as a selfish actor who needs to get one over on everyone else in order to get ahead. Regardless of the world's judgement of Bush, I don't think it sowed much doubt in many minds about their overall relationship with America, and not just because of 9/11 or because he was just one president. The US could have continued electing Bush's forever and not much would have changed.

Whereas: Trump's presidency - especially this second term - is utterly destabilizing. He's single-handedly destroyed America's soft power and place in the world.

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by michaelbarton on Sunday April 19, 2026 @05:47PM (#47827922)
I agree. I think it’s fair to say that while many people might agree Bush II is someone you could have a beer with compared to the current prest his foreign policy decisions lead to excess mortality in the range of half a million.

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article%3Fid%3D10.137...

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by Fnoord on Monday April 20, 2026 @06:59AM (#47832593)
I'm not sure I could drink a beer with Bush Jr at my fav pub in The Hague, but I welcome him to try.
Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by swat535 on Sunday April 19, 2026 @05:49PM (#47827931)
It's not just Canada, who is going to trust US anymore?

Certainly no Europe after tarrifs, NATO, Ukraine, and this war..

Certainly not GCC after this war

Certainly not Asia after this war

Certainly not Japan after the awful "nuke" jokes and abuses .. like really? Who is on US aside?

Dems can try all they want, but the US trust is gone imo.

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by brazukadev on Sunday April 19, 2026 @08:29PM (#47829033)
You missed South America. We did not trust the US before but are forced to give the US business preference as per the so called Monroe Doctrine, now with a "Trump Corollary"
Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by adjejmxbdjdn on Sunday April 19, 2026 @10:53PM (#47829874)
The U.S. has 75+ years of an incredible consumer economy, ties with nations, and deep entrenchment in civilian supply chains and military logistics, so countries can’t just break away.

What will change, however, is no country will build anything new that is entirely dependent on a U.S. entity, and every country will now try to find alternatives to existing dependencies.

It will be a slow, multi-decade process, but it’s probably irreversible at this point.

The problem, from a U.S. perspective, is that 2 decades from now, these decisions might have cost the U.S. economy trillions of dollars, but it will largely be impossible to tell because the nature of losses will be in billions of dollars of economic activity that could have been created but were never even conceived, so the alternate path will be impossible to know.

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by notatoad on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:08PM (#47829979)
a 75 year history isn't anything to brag about on a global scale, that's a very young country. an unbroken 75 year history as a reliable partner might be something, but if your time as a reliable economic partner only lasts 75 years, that's not very reliable.

the one thing that the US still has is money. countries want to trade with countries that have money, whether they're trustworthy or untrustworthy, moral or immoral. as long as the US continues to be rich, they'll continue to have good trading relationships. we've all just got to hope that this current trend reverses before the us stops being a rich country.

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by palmotea on Monday April 20, 2026 @12:08AM (#47830301)
> What will change, however, is no country will build anything new that is entirely dependent on a U.S. entity, and every country will now try to find alternatives to existing dependencies.

> It will be a slow, multi-decade process, but it’s probably irreversible at this point.

I don't think any Western democracy can keep up such a project for that long, after the immediate political irritant has disappeared. I mean, FFS, pretty much everything "new" that's people build is dependent on China. Trump is an stupid old man, China is a bigger long-term threat to democracy and is smarter and more strategic.

What I'm saying is: is once Trump leaves office (and especially once he's dead), the process you talk about will almost certainly reverse. It may seem hard to believe in this moment, but people will move on from Trump.

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by drunkan on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:49PM (#47830229)
the reek of American exceptionalism. There is plenty of history out there you just have to realise america does not have much and there is allot outside of it.
Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by wolvesechoes on Monday April 20, 2026 @02:46AM (#47831093)
> What will change, however, is no country will build anything new that is entirely dependent on a U.S. entity, and every country will now try to find alternatives to existing dependencies.

> It will be a slow, multi-decade process, but it’s probably irreversible at this point.

I think it is important to distinguish talk intended to appease the public, that currently is very anti-US, from real policies. For example there is lot of talk about sovereignty in the EU, you can even see lot of that here, but so far no real steps were taken. Globalism cannot be reversed, not without some external factor like global cataclysm. And the public opinion on anything, in the age of Twitter et al, change as often as Trump's proclaimed policies.

Truth is, EU countries have not other potential ally that could replace US, especially among themselves. In Poland some groups dream about European army and French nuclear sharing, when first is pure fantasy, and second is even less reliable that the US one.

You can balance however much you want between US and China, but there may be time when you need to choose. As bad as current state of US is, China is an antithesis to everything EU and its democracies say they stand for.

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by anon7725 on Monday April 20, 2026 @11:08AM (#47835441)
> I think it is important to distinguish talk intended to appease the public, that currently is very anti-US, from real policies.

It's pretty clear that governments engage in such two-sided talk at their peril going forward. This is exactly how you get populism - usually of the far-right variety, with its specific blend of parochialism, jingoism and nihilism.

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by drivingmenuts on Monday April 20, 2026 @01:33AM (#47830710)
The Arabs will because we have a President who can be bought. Who's practically begging to be bought.
Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by red-iron-pine on Monday April 20, 2026 @09:21AM (#47833937)
not begging, openly offering and keen to negotiate
Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by JKCalhoun on Monday April 20, 2026 @08:32AM (#47833350)
Agree. The U.S. needs reforms at the Amendment level after this administration. We need it to so the U.S. citizen can trust their government again.
Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by michtzik on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:08PM (#47829977)
> Canada honored its commitments.

Two decades ago: "in 2006, NATO Defence Ministers agreed to commit a minimum of 2% of their GDP to defence spending."

Canada has not remotely upheld this agreement.

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by throwpoaster on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:20PM (#47830046)
Yeah, we only recently began honouring our agreements[0], and even then we did it my recategorizing non-military spending as military[1].

[0]: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/history-canada-nato-mil...

[1]: "That five per cent figure is somewhat deceptive, since just 3.5 per cent of that will go to core defence needs, while 1.5 per cent is to cover spending loosely related to national security — such as funding for maritime ports, airports and other infrastructure." - https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/pm-carney-declares-u...

Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by drunkan on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:51PM (#47830238)
ah yes a perfectly reasonable explanation to start a trade war with your ally that hurts both economies.
Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by eli_gottlieb on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:14PM (#47830007)
That has nothing to do with Trump's trade policies w.r.t Canada, though.
Re:PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address ... by palmotea on Monday April 20, 2026 @12:10AM (#47830306)
> That has nothing to do with Trump's trade policies w.r.t Canada, though.

If Canada's going to wag a finger at the US about breaking commitments, it does.