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Re:The RAM shortage could last years by torginus on Sunday April 19, 2026 @05:49AM (#47823074)
The Radeon VII came out in 2019 as a $700 consumer GPU with an 1TB/s HBM2 memory subsystem which is more than any consumer GPU you can get today, including the high-end ones afaik. At that point in time, there was a whole lineup of AMD GPUs with HBM going down into the midrange.

If they could make this stuff and sell it to regular people a decade ago for very palatable prices, why do they come up with the idea that this is the technology of the gods, unaffordable by mere mortals?

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by cco on Sunday April 19, 2026 @06:06AM (#47823141)
That card only had 16GB of memory; its memory bandwidth was 1TB/s.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by imtringued on Sunday April 19, 2026 @06:59AM (#47823377)
You're saying this in a world where AMD's highest end consumer GPU in 2026 is also limited to 16 GB.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by thehamkercat on Sunday April 19, 2026 @10:00AM (#47824365)
RX7900 XTX has 24GB
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by fl4regun on Sunday April 19, 2026 @07:37PM (#47828727)
this card is 4 years old, it's not on store shelves anymore.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by badsectoracula on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:50PM (#47830233)
FWIW that depends on the stores you're looking at. There are three models from different manufacturers available here in a few shops. The prices are a bit ouchier than what i paid for mine around Christmas 2024 though (i got mine on a sale).
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by throwawayffffas on Monday April 20, 2026 @05:21AM (#47831952)
You can still get "new" ones on amazon in europe.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by throwawayffffas on Monday April 20, 2026 @05:20AM (#47831947)
7900XT has 20GB and you can still get some unused ones.

R9700 has 32GB and is cheaper than most NVidia consumer GPUs, even though it's a "pro".

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by tpm on Monday April 20, 2026 @05:34AM (#47832056)
And I can still buy a new W7800 48GB for a relatively decent price.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by mrbuttons454 on Sunday April 19, 2026 @05:10PM (#47827680)
The Pro variant had 32GB, I had one in a 2019 Mac Pro
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by tpm on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:43AM (#47825123)
> 1TB/s HBM2 memory subsystem which is more than any consumer GPU you can get today

5090 has 1.8 TB/s?

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by dietr1ch on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:27PM (#47830101)
then it must be the case you can't get one (for a fair price?)
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by petersellers on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:39PM (#47830174)
Define "fair price"

5090s are certainly expensive compared to most other GPUs, but not expensive enough to be unobtanium for nearly any professional who could utilize one as part of their job

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by wpm on Monday April 20, 2026 @09:37AM (#47834151)
Hell, some of us utilize them just to play video games!
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by adrian_b on Monday April 20, 2026 @05:27AM (#47832009)
5090 is an overpriced outlier. A typical consumer GPU, like RTX 5070, has a 3-times lower memory throughput.

Even a RTX 5080 has a lower memory throughput than a Radeon VII from 2019, 7 years ago, while being much more expensive.

The memory throughput of GPUs per dollar has regressed greatly during the last 5 years, despite the fact that the widths of the GPU memory interfaces have been reduced, in order to decrease the production costs.

RTX 5080 has a 256-bit memory interface, while the much cheaper Radeon VII had an 1024-bit memory interface. RTX 5080 has almost 4-times faster memories than Radeon VII, but it has not used this to increase the memory throughput, but only to reduce the production costs, while simultaneously increasing the product price.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by tpm on Monday April 20, 2026 @05:31AM (#47832031)
> Even a RTX 5080 has a lower memory throughput than a Radeon VII from 2019, 7 years ago, while being much more expensive.

And it's faster for gaming, I guess? Which is what matters for the typical user.

Anyway you can buy much faster GPUs now than in 2019. They are also much more expensive, yes.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by adrian_b on Monday April 20, 2026 @05:42AM (#47832106)
Modern GPUs like RTX 5080 are much faster for the applications that are limited by computational capabilities, mainly because they have more execution units, whose clock frequencies have also increased.

I suppose that most games are limited by computation, so they are indeed much faster on modern GPUs.

However, there are applications that are limited by memory throughput, not by computation, including AI inference and many scientific/technical computing applications.

For such applications, old GPUs with higher memory throughput are still faster.

This is why I am still using an old Radeon VII and a couple of other ancient AMD GPUs with high memory throughput.

Last year I have bought an Intel GPU, which is still slower than my old GPUs, but it at least had very good performance per dollar, competitive with that of the old GPUs, because it was very cheap, while the current AMD and especially NVIDIA GPUs have poor performance per dollar.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by platevoltage on Sunday April 19, 2026 @05:14PM (#47827697)
I was gonna say, I still use an AMD Vega that uses HBM2.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by tverbeure on Sunday April 19, 2026 @09:14PM (#47829282)
Vega was a card with decent perf/$ for the consumer, but from a pure technical point of view (perf/mm2, perf/BW, perf/W) it was a major failure. Both Vega (and Fiji before it) showed that excess memory BW alone is not sufficient to win.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by zozbot234 on Monday April 20, 2026 @03:26AM (#47831312)
> Both Vega (and Fiji before it) showed that excess memory BW alone is not sufficient to win.

That's correct if you're targeting gamers, but local AI inference changes this picture substantially.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by platevoltage on Monday April 20, 2026 @04:19PM (#47839947)
Oh I never said it was a great card. It does work for what I need it for though.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by mistyvales on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:49PM (#47830224)
My main system still uses a Vega 64 and it plays all the games I'd care about. Undervolts like a champ! Will use it until it dies..
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by platevoltage on Monday April 20, 2026 @04:18PM (#47839939)
Mine is a Vega 56 that thinks it's a Vega 64. It plays Hitman pretty well, and thats really all I need it for.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by HerbManic on Sunday April 19, 2026 @05:24PM (#47827751)
I have been wondering this recently. It was the convention that if you wanted to keep costs down, try to keep the memory bus size down as low as possible. Still remember the awful Radeon 9200 SE - 64bit data bus that strangled an already slow GPU.

Heck, I have a phone with a 16bit memory bus for instance. The high(ish) clock rate only makes up the difference slightly.

But with general prices on all components going up, it might not be such a big factor any more.

HBM migght make sense for higher end products which can free up space for the lower end that will never use the tech.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by fennecbutt on Monday April 20, 2026 @09:11AM (#47833793)
Eh I feel like the memory bus width thing was more a case of binning memory controllers and the like.

Designing a part with a wide bus and putting the traces down on the board is what I would expect to be the easy part these days (surely).

But yield, yield comes for us all.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by sidewndr46 on Sunday April 19, 2026 @08:48PM (#47829139)
It also does 64 bit floating point I think?
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by adrian_b on Monday April 20, 2026 @05:50AM (#47832169)
After NVIDIA essentially removed FP64 from consumer GPUs (their 1:64 performance ratio is worse than what you can obtain by software emulation, so it is useless, except for testing programs intended to run on datacenter GPUs), AMD persisted for a few years, but then they also followed NVIDIA.

AMD Hawaii GPUs still had 1:2 FP64:FP32, while the consumer variant of Radeon VII dropped to 1:4. The following AMD consumer GPUs dropped the FP64 performance to levels that are not competitive with CPUs.

Nowadays the only consumer GPUs with decent FP64 performance are the Intel Battlemage GPUs, which have a 1:8 performance ratio, which provides very good performance per dollar.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by LNSY on Sunday April 19, 2026 @11:05PM (#47829960)
Class war by the Epstein People.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by antonvs on Monday April 20, 2026 @03:38AM (#47831369)
Only indirectly. They have most of the money, so if they want something that’s in short supply, the price will rise to the point that it becomes unaffordable to everyone else.

Reason number 7,322 why US-style ultracapitalism is self-destructive, anti-social, and dystopian.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by Nesco on Monday April 20, 2026 @04:30AM (#47831639)
What do you mean exactly by “Epstein People”? I thoroughly hope it’s not the 4chan definition of it
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by nmeofthestate on Monday April 20, 2026 @04:53AM (#47831764)
A RAM discussion descends into cranks referring to "Epstein People" and you're the one downvoted - website's absolutely cooked.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by rasz on Monday April 20, 2026 @12:53AM (#47830514)
And the bottleneck at the time was HBM interposers, not actual ram dies.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by parl_match on Monday April 20, 2026 @03:07AM (#47831207)
> why do they come up with the idea that this is the technology of the gods, unaffordable by mere mortals?

because the gods want it all and are willing to pay top dollar.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by varispeed on Monday April 20, 2026 @03:48AM (#47831426)
Isn't this the case of money going from left pocket to the right, since these companies are owned by the same investment funds?

I wonder whether this is some kind of a racket.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by unmole on Monday April 20, 2026 @04:25AM (#47831612)
> Isn't this the case of money going from left pocket to the right, since these companies are owned by the same investment funds?

No.

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by high_na_euv on Monday April 20, 2026 @05:31AM (#47832024)
"Owned"? You mean they invested
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by conception on Monday April 20, 2026 @08:20AM (#47833223)
Investors are owners, yes.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by whatsupdog on Monday April 20, 2026 @07:13AM (#47832688)
Supply and demand. The prices are high because of high demand.
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by mitjam on Monday April 20, 2026 @11:27AM (#47835730)
Yes, it's interesting that HBM was invented by a collaboration between AMD and SK Hynix. It seems, HBM is the way to go for GPUs, anyway.

The GB202 die that's in the GDDR7 based RTX 5090 and RTX 6000 Pro literally needed to be this big to support the 512bit memory bus. It's probably only getting worse with smaller node sizes. (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCwgAGG2sZQ&t=65s).

BTW: The 1TB/s is matched by RTX4090 and surpassed by the RTX5090 (1,79 TB/s).

Re:The RAM shortage could last years by nektro on Monday April 20, 2026 @07:51PM (#47842739)
the hardware dump once we're through the bubble is gonna be wild
Re:The RAM shortage could last years by tiberious726 on Monday April 20, 2026 @10:14PM (#47843730)
The fury X was a beast for a consumer card, sadly limited by having a mere 4gb of (hbm) VRAM, and a non-refillable AIO. But back when games could fit in 4gb, it was incredible.

I'd absolutely buy another hbm consumer GPU if it had at least 8gb (and if I got the vibe/hope AMD will actually support for a couple years...)