Re:The Bra-and-Girdle Maker That Fashioned the Impossible fo...
by Neywiny on Friday April 10, 2026 @10:23PM
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Great points on the documentation. It's hard to find the perfect balance and I see it from NASA's POV. I've seen countless times where on system level testing a component isn't playing nice and being able to trace which systems have which batches was crucial in finding the cause and remedying it. I'd like to think it's the same for product recalls in the consumer space that only impact specific serial number ranges.
So it's nice that ILC played ball to the level they did. I really didn't expect hiring 56 of their competitors.
Re:The Bra-and-Girdle Maker That Fashioned the Impossible fo...
by neilv on Friday April 10, 2026 @11:33PM
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> (The company learned that lesson in 1967, after a single pin was discovered between the layers of a suit prototype, leading to the installation of an X-ray machine on the shop floor that would regularly scan the suits for errant fasteners.)
This is also a thing in consumer mass production now. An outerwear factory that our startup worked with had a needle scanner as the last step of the process, before shipping. There was basically a window that finished units had to pass through, to shipping, so that the needle scanner wouldn't accidentally be skipped.
Re:The Bra-and-Girdle Maker That Fashioned the Impossible fo...
by estimator7292 on Saturday April 11, 2026 @06:17PM
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Because there's no practical way to do it on the scale of an entire factory. It works for surgery because you only do a single surgery in a single room on a single person with a countable number of supplies.
Re:The Bra-and-Girdle Maker That Fashioned the Impossible fo...
by rcxdude on Saturday April 11, 2026 @03:19PM
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Clothing doesn't get cancer. Also a lot of what can get left in a patient doesn't show up super well on x-rays, so more general solutions like counting in and out are preferable.
Re:The Bra-and-Girdle Maker That Fashioned the Impossible fo...
by devilbunny on Saturday April 11, 2026 @11:22PM
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Metal has the marvelous quality of showing up well on X-ray, and clothing has the marvelous quality of never getting cancer from X-rays.
Pieces of cotton do not show up on X-ray, and humans do get cancer from too much ionizing radiation.
Of course miscounts happen sometimes, and sometimes both the initial and final counts are one short of the true number, but the vast majority of undetected retained items are sponges made of cotton. Not tools, not even tiny needles. That’s why there is a radiopaque strip embedded in the sponges intended for use during surgery.
Re:The Bra-and-Girdle Maker That Fashioned the Impossible fo...
by mrlonglong on Saturday April 11, 2026 @08:35AM
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After an “incident” with the first astronaut fitted for the device, the UCD’s designations were changed from “Small, Medium, Large” to “Large,” “Extra Large,” and “Extra-Extra Large.”
I knew it. Serious issues that still persists to this day.
Re:The Bra-and-Girdle Maker That Fashioned the Impossible fo...
by adrian_b on Saturday April 11, 2026 @10:06AM
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The labels L, XL and XXL given in the parent article are more plausible than those from your link. Moreover at your link it is even stated that those given there might be nicknames, not the official designations.
As you say, the essence is the same regardless which were the actual names.
Moreover, while this is a story about males fantasizing themselves as being large, a similar story, but in reverse, is told about the labels used in US female clothes, where, due to the increase in average weight of the population, the larger sizes have been renamed as smaller sizes, because overweight customers were reluctant to buy the clothes labeled as extra-extra-large that they actually needed.
So much admiration for the designers and fabricators.
So it's nice that ILC played ball to the level they did. I really didn't expect hiring 56 of their competitors.
This is also a thing in consumer mass production now. An outerwear factory that our startup worked with had a needle scanner as the last step of the process, before shipping. There was basically a window that finished units had to pass through, to shipping, so that the needle scanner wouldn't accidentally be skipped.
Factories don't work that way.
Pieces of cotton do not show up on X-ray, and humans do get cancer from too much ionizing radiation.
Of course miscounts happen sometimes, and sometimes both the initial and final counts are one short of the true number, but the vast majority of undetected retained items are sponges made of cotton. Not tools, not even tiny needles. That’s why there is a radiopaque strip embedded in the sponges intended for use during surgery.
It is not perfect, and cannot be.
I knew it. Serious issues that still persists to this day.
As you say, the essence is the same regardless which were the actual names.
Moreover, while this is a story about males fantasizing themselves as being large, a similar story, but in reverse, is told about the labels used in US female clothes, where, due to the increase in average weight of the population, the larger sizes have been renamed as smaller sizes, because overweight customers were reluctant to buy the clothes labeled as extra-extra-large that they actually needed.