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Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by BinaryAsteroid on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @09:45AM (#47412589)
The timing of the delivery is what's important here. These building blocks, organic matter, and water would have been depleted in the proto-Earth due to Solar irradiation. There needs to be some mechanism that delivers these ingredients from the outer Solar System. Bombardment by smaller rocks makes the most sense, and was likely triggered by the migration of Giant Planets, leading to a period of heavy bombardment (on a bare Earth -- no oceans, no volcanoes).. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_model
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by lazide on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @09:55AM (#47412739)
Huh? Those smaller rocks would be even more irradiated, as they have no atmosphere?

They’d also have to contend with re-entry.

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by Sharlin on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @11:13AM (#47413847)
It would’ve been specifically asteroids from beyond the "frost line", where it’s cold enough for volatile substances to coalesce and stay solid.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by jvanderbot on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @01:09PM (#47415479)
"volatile substances" is doing a lot of work. This means water and organics. Literal cold-storage seeds of life.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by BinaryAsteroid on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @10:02AM (#47412839)
The smaller rocks are composed of those materials in solid state (e.g., ice not water). They are less irradiated as they are further away from the Sun (think the asteroid belt and beyond). Atmospheric entry (if that's what you mean) is irrelevant. What matters here is the transport of materials from a place where they could have formed, to a place where they couldn't.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by adrian_b on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @12:12PM (#47414676)
Atmospheric entry is completely relevant because some people have made the illogical claim that meteorites falling on Earth could have contributed with such complex organic substances, like the nucleobases, to the appearance of life on Earth.

The icy bodies from the outer Solar System that contain such organic substances are very easily vaporized during entry in the atmosphere of the Earth, so only a negligible fraction, if any, of the organic substances originally present in such a body would reach the surface of the Earth.

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by soco on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @02:03PM (#47416102)
So we get organic vapors in the atmosphere right. Shouldn't that matter?
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by adrian_b on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @02:36PM (#47416471)
One theory is that the primitive Earth contained much smaller quantities of the volatile chemical H, C, N, O and S, which are the main constituents of water and of organic substances.

Then Earth collided with a great number of small bodies formed in the outer Solar System, which were rich in water and organic substances. This has modified the composition of the Earth towards the current composition. (Later Earth has lost a part of its hydrogen; because hydrogen is very light, it is lost continuously from the upper atmosphere, after water is dissociated by ultraviolet light; thus now the Earth has less water than around the appearance of life.)

This theory is likely to be true, so meteorites probably have brought a good part of the chemical elements most needed by living beings.

However, most of the pre-existing organic substances from meteorites must have decomposed and whatever has been preserved of them could not have had any significant role in the appearance of life here, because any living being would have needed a continuous supply with any molecules that it needed, otherwise it would have died immediately. Such a continuous supply could have been ensured only for molecules that were synthesized continuously in the local environment here, not for molecules arriving sporadically in meteorites and which would have been diluted afterwards over enormous areas, down to negligible concentrations.

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by foxglacier on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @05:05PM (#47418306)
Wouldn't a big enough asteroid have an inner part which survives entry? You seem to be saying that it's impossible for any meteorite that might have these chemicals to not be completely vaporized which seems doubtful. Have you got a source?
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by dylan604 on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @07:31PM (#47419772)
So you survived re-entry. Now, you get to survive impact. Seems like the energy released would also be damaging
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by stouset on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @12:43AM (#47421667)
Most asteroids have slowed to terminal velocity by the time they impact. It’s not nothing, but it’s mostly going to be relevant to physical processes and not chemical ones.

You might consider that scientists advanced enough in their field to be launching missions to retrieve dust from asteroids are actually aware of basic facts relevant to their field of study.

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by lazide on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @01:08AM (#47421795)
You might consider that even concepts like plate tectonics (which frankly are incredibly obvious if one just looks at a map) were considered ridiculous ideas by the most advanced experts in their field at one point. A point not that long ago.

I’m not saying the person you are responding too is right - but appealing to authority on something like this has a pretty bad track record.

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by Citizen_Lame on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @07:04AM (#47424096)
Quality of comments massively dropped on the HN. It feels like Facebook now.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by CryptoBanker on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @09:49AM (#47425796)
The Redditors have arrived
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by XorNot on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @06:13AM (#47423715)
Generally speaking small molecules aren't damaged by concussive shock.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by dylan604 on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @11:53AM (#47427328)
I was thinking more of heat
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by naasking on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @10:56AM (#47413583)
> Atmospheric entry (if that's what you mean) is irrelevant.

I think the OP meant that Earths magnetic field and atmosphere shields any terrestrial matter far more than than a bare asteroid that has no such protections, so it seems implausible at first glance that these things would develop or survive in open space rather than here.

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by Supermancho on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @12:12AM (#47421516)
> it seems implausible at first glance that these things would develop or survive in open space rather than here.

I don't think "organics developed in the vacuum of space" is implied. Survived? Well we have samples now confirming, if I'm understanding the basis for the discussion (the article).

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by lazide on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @01:10AM (#47421805)
We have some organic ‘building block’ compounds confirmed frozen on some asteroids.

But what we don’t have is any examples of them surviving re-entry.

We also have a massive amount of those same compounds already here on the planet.

Causality is… tenuous. But not impossible.

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by beowulfey on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @06:36AM (#47423859)
Causality was not the point. The point was to refute the seeding hypothesis, and because they found those molecules, the effort to falsify the hypothesis failed. Now we can move on to the next attempt to refute, which, as you say, might be to study whether molecules can survive conditions of reentry.

Experiments do not tell us that something IS a certain way; only the ways it is not.

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by lazide on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @12:15PM (#47427606)
The ideal situation for an expert is to prove causality!

It’s nearly impossible, but it is the holy grail!

This experiment was to try to falsify one theory, yes, but as you note that is a very long way from the actual goal - or the level of certainty that the article is trying to imply.

These articles are written due to funding needs, which is why the articles are the way they are - and why the scientists themselves are likely cringing too when they read these articles. At least until the checks (hopefully) arrive.

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by Supermancho on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @10:14AM (#47426058)
I was under the impression that the ejection of these compounds demonstrates that organics (blocks) can escape a gravity well, which implies they can likely re-enter another.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by lazide on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @12:29PM (#47414924)
The earths poles?
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by kmaitreys on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @11:11AM (#47413809)
Those smaller rocks are in the outer solar system, where the solar irradiation is lower. But the way they are composed is lots of ices (volatile molecules in solid form) being built on the silicate/graphite refractory core. The ices remain preserved in the environment provided by the outer solar system.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by general_reveal on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @03:16PM (#47416937)
Exactly. The attempt to try to explain creation through science is often more absurd than the simple truth.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by xandrius on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @03:43PM (#47417300)
One thing I do agree with you: answering that an invisible dude did everything we don't get is much simpler indeed. Calling that a truth though.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by amanaplanacanal on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @04:17AM (#47423020)
The invisible dude is only simpler if you don't have to explain how the invisible dude was created.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by blacksmith_tb on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @03:22PM (#47417012)
"The simple truth" being Genesis, for which there can be no evidence possible?
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by vpribish on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @03:46PM (#47417331)
pray tell, where do we learn this simple truth?
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by GetTheFacts on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @05:17PM (#47418451)
>pray tell, where do we learn this simple truth?

Praying[0] is a good start! That, coupled with large amounts of suspension of disbelief[1] helps too.

I suggest drinking (or whatever your preferred brain-fogger might be) heavily. That helps you ignore the details -- because the "devil is in the details" and we mustn't have that, right?

[0] Also known as "begging an imaginary sky daddy for help"

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by twodave on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @10:47PM (#47421045)
I realize you're just replying in kind to the GP, who wasn't very nice himself. I also think it's not necessary to feed such trolls in a way that insults all the religious folks who do enjoy this site and don't try to push our faith on others.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by vpribish on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @10:59PM (#47421135)
I thought he was being tactfully humorous, yous daves. And you counted that as an insult?! jesus.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by GetTheFacts on Thursday March 19, 2026 @03:17PM (#47444444)
It's okay. I appreciate the cover, but it's important to let this oppressed, hunted, hated and endangered group have their say.

There is, after all, a war on Christmas, Christians and Christianity.

Christian enclaves are being attacked and Christians are being murdered in the thousands every week, just for being Christian.

Hundreds of decent, god-fearing Christian women are being raped daily by strong, manly Muslim men. Their strong muscles rippling under their tight clothes, stirring up strong, lustful feelings among the faithful Christian men.

It's no wonder that folks are kind of touchy. If you risked being shot, blown up, cuckolded or otherwise made dead or humiliated every time you went to a church, made the sign of the cross or put a "Jesus is my Co-pilot" bumper sticker on your vehicle, you'd be concerned wouldn't you?

And that happens every day because people hate them for their knowledge of the truth. It's all there in the literal word of god that's in the Holy Bible. Anything else is heresy. And we know what to do with heretics, don't we?

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by bahmboo on Tuesday March 17, 2026 @07:23PM (#47419728)
Meteorites are generally cold when they reach the surface of the earth. The heat of reentry is very brief and generally just on the surface. That's my understanding.
Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by lazide on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @01:12AM (#47421816)
The surfaces are typically melted - the ones that don’t just explode anyway.

Icy meteorites never survive re-entry that I’m aware of; and most carbon/chondrite ones don’t either, but they are the most common type that do. They tend to be ‘dry’, however.

Re-entry is a very ‘angry’ process.

Re:Ryugu asteroid samples contain all DNA and RNA building b... by DoctorOetker on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @04:21AM (#47423058)
Extra terrestrial propagation of life, if real would have evolved to have non-zero survival rates in interstellar radiation regimes and timescales.

The fragility of life-as-we-know-it that has undergone serial passage in an environment largely shielded from radiation, is not necessarily representative of putative life-forms carried by little rocks in space.

I am neither convinced for nor against the idea that life may have been carried over by interstellar rocks: on the one hand, its a major promiscuity between celestial bodies within star systems, galaxies, etc. on the other hand since we haven't discovered other life forms yet we have no idea on the missing probability densities of life in the bulk of the universe, so the Bayesian catapult can swing either way, we just lack the data for now.