The US has moved half of its navy in the region, and there are doubts about its support?

“In the future” is not “now”.

Neither the current administration nor Israel are particularly popular with the US public today, and those are correlated in that Israel has particularly lost support from Democrats and Independents in the US, suggesting that a change in power (legislative or executive, and especially both) in the US government could very easily spell much less favorable US policy toward Israel.

Normal people are starting to call themselves goyim and aren’t afraid to call themselves antisemites anymore. You can look at this from many angles (sitting here in Eastern Europe watching history repeat itself again in 4 years is a very discomforting feeling), but all of them are signs of Israel losing US citizenship support at an unprecedented velocity.

And this is why the Ellisons are quickly ramping up their media empire with the purchase of Paramount (which included CBS who is now ran by Bari Weiss), the freshly inked Warner Brothers deal, and their part ownership of US TikTok (of which Oracle hosts the data now).

>Normal people are starting to call themselves goyim and aren’t afraid to call themselves antisemites anymore.

Normal people distinguish between Israel and Jews and call themselves antizionists. It's Zionists who blur the distinction.

There are several countries throughout history where the citizens have been absolutely obsessed with their own race and considered the crusader state to be the sole representative of it. It never ended well.

And they’ve blurred it so much and thrown around the accusation so frequently and with so little hesitancy that many people are starting to simply not care anymore.

Israel is the Jewish state.

Israel is the jewish state, so all your “antizionist” rhetoric is nonsense. The jews perceive “antizionist” as antijewish.

No, no one who calls themself an anti-semite is a normal person, and the people doing that are still a narrow bigoted fringe (though, yes, it is a fringe that Trumpism has emboldened tk greater boldness, like many other overlapping bigotries, and somewhat paradoxically given the way the Trump Administration is itself supportive of not only Israel in the broad sense, but of accelerating the policies most opposed by the public in particular).

Most of the opponents of Israel and its policies in the US are either anti-Zionists who are not and do not identify as anti-Semites, or people who don't even identify as anti-Zionists just opponents of Israeli policy. And many in both groups are Jewish themselves.

"Let's do it now, when they'd still move half their navy there for us, rather than in the future, when they might not."

More like "The US has arrived as we asked, and the same will happen in the future every time"

Even assuming that would always hold for the USA as such, America isn't necessarily a fixture in Semitic eschatology.

That is only 6% of our Navy. Not half.

And it happened on a Friday night. Best time of the week for the least news impact.

In the great age of grift wars ideally last no more than the time between Friday market close and Sunday futures open.

It was Trump or his immediate environmetn who asked Israeli to attack Iran first (better optics); Israel would have never done this without American approval. Did Israel want this to happen though ? Yes. But so did the Americans. I guess the negotiations went badly.

"Negotiations"

More specifically, seems to be driven by Netanyahu's political accounting. Starting a potential major war going into mid-terms is pretty inconvenient for Trump who could be looking at impeachment over Epstein. But Netanyahu is facing trial and October-7 investigation commissions more imminently and can't wait that long. Netanyahu trumps Trump, evidently.

> is pretty inconvenient for Trump who could be looking at impeachment over Epstein

I mean, it is a pretty convenient distraction from the epstein files tho, so win-win for Trump/Netanyahu

I think just forego the hypocrisy and have the Israeli's move the White House over there and put one of their own in it instead of pulling the strings.

Those who know their history also know that the current American administration is of a kind that usually ascends following the rules, but then never voluntarily leaves power.

So I don't think Israel has anything to fear there.

Not only the current administration, no US administration in the recent past or foreseeable future will not be okay with fighting wars for Israel at the cost of American lives and wealth. Some might hesitate or push back more than others, but the end result is the same.

> the current American administration is of a kind that usually ascends following the rules, but then never voluntarily leaves power

Sounds like you might be making a very strong claim! Can you make it more precise? For example, "President Trump will not peaceably transfer power at the end of his current term". Is it something you'd be willing to put money on, for example on Polymarket?

Trump makes a lot of claims of unfair elections, declaring a state of emergency and is talking about a third term. Hard to really know for real what will happen but it is suspicious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/26/trump-ele...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

If history is anything to go by, expect a fire at the Capitol some time in October resulting in a national emergency being declared.

You can take that to your bookie.

Talk is cheap. Are you prepared to put money, or anything valuable, where your mouth is?

Not OP, but that post clearly was alluding to Hitler coming to power democratically. That they don't need to worry was a very dark joke. Anyway, it's just history.

Not just Hitler.

There are more recent examples in Europe, like Putin, Orban and Vucic. All of them got elected fairly, and all of them engaged in the process of slowly but surely breaking democratic institutions and checks and balances down. The guidebook is actually exactly the same. Putin is now 25 years in power, Orban 16 years and Vucic 14 years.

You could say that those Eastern European democracies were fragile to begin with, but what MAGA is so far very much successfully doing is fully matching the existing proven guidebook.

If Polymarket were legal in my country I'd actually consider betting on it.

Yea! Suggesting the guy who refuses to acknowledge he lost the 2020 election, caused a whole to do on January 6th over it, has printed up TRUMP 2026 hats in the White House, and constantly “jokes” about being owed a 3rd term might not be too interested in following the rules is totally unhinged and a “strong claim”. And the only way to prove you’re serious about this opinion is to gamble on it!

> And the only way to prove you’re serious about this opinion is to gamble on it!

If it's a strong claim it's not much of a gamble, is it? Talk is cheap.

I miss the days when having a financial stake in something was considered a conflict of interest, and not a weakly held belief. Your whole transactional nihilism schtick here is extremely gross. People can have genuine beliefs, and share those without being motivated by pumping their own bags.

Showing that one's claim is not hollow can be achieved in a variety of ways. A prediction market was just a suggestion of one possibility. I'm open to other ways that bojan can show that their claim isn't just empty venting.

DO YOU THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD AGREE? CARE TO MAKE IT INTERESTING? WHY DON'T YOU PUT IT UP ON POLYMARKET, BRO? OTHERWISE, YOUR WORDS ARE EMPTY VENTING.

(See how dumb this is?)

Yeah, that's pretty dumb. It's also not what I said. The original comment is a vague insinuation

> Those who know their history also know that the current American administration is of a kind that usually ascends following the rules, but then never voluntarily leaves power.

and not really becoming of a top level Hacker News post. I requested a clarification from bojan and they did not respond to the request. We're all welcome to make our own interpretation of that.

Or ICE ensuring it is a ”fair” election with the ”correct” outcome.

Literally this week, for the first time ever, a majority of Americans polled favored Palestine over Israel.

To be clear, I'm not trying to suggest that's why we're bombing Iran today. Just pointing out a data point supporting your hypothesis.

> Pre-emptive violence; not even justified with a narrative of escalating threat.

This is basically Purim. Which is in a few days, what are the odds!

At some point Americans will realize ethnic Jewish groups exist and operate in their own interests in America, and that is at odds with American interests. Or maybe not - top private donor the IDF Larry Ellison (an American, supposedly) looks like he’s expanding his media empire even further with WB. Should go a long way in helping his personal friend Netanyahu’s 8th front.

Small coordinated groups always win out over fragmented larger ones.