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Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by neom on Thursday February 26, 2026 @08:37PM (#47175185)
I've had so much abuse thrown at me on here for saying this very thing over the last few years. I used to be friends with Jack back in the day, before this AI stuff even all kicked off, once you know who people really are inside, it's easy to know how they will act when the going gets rough. I'm glad they are doing the right thing, but I'm not at all surprised, nor should anyone be. Personally I believe they would go to jail/shut down/whatever before they do something objectively wrong.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by bobsomers on Thursday February 26, 2026 @11:32PM (#47176542)
> I used to be friends with Jack back in the day, before this AI stuff even all kicked off, once you know who people really are inside, it's easy to know how they will act when the going gets rough.

This sounds quite backwards to me. It's been abundantly clear in today's times that, in fact, you only really know who somebody really is when they're under stress. Most people, it seems, prefer a different facade when there is nothing at stake.

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by neom on Friday February 27, 2026 @12:37AM (#47176890)
I don't know most people, so I can't speak to that. I do know Jack, and I knew how he was under stress long before any of this AI stuff. Jack Clark might very well be the most steady hand in the valley right now to be quite frank.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by RHSman2 on Friday February 27, 2026 @02:00AM (#47177438)
That is a good LinkedIn endorsement of ever I saw one!
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by klodolph on Friday February 27, 2026 @12:39AM (#47176901)
Hm, I think you kinda know what people are like by seeing what they do when they’re under no stress and feel like they are free from consequences. When they have total power in a situation. The façade drops because it’s not necessary.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by inigyou on Friday February 27, 2026 @03:26AM (#47178038)
If someone is in an environment where they have to do XYZ or die, their choice to do XYZ might not reflect their personality, but the environment where they have to do XYZ or die.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by vintermann on Friday February 27, 2026 @03:00AM (#47177864)
But if you were watching them, was there really no freedom from consequences? At least there was the risk of you thinking less of them.

I think that really cruel people want you to know when they can act with impunity, it's part of the appeal to some. The Anthropic people don't seem like that sort, at least. But plenty of horrible people have still not been that sort.

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by klodolph on Friday February 27, 2026 @04:06AM (#47178354)
> But if you were watching them, was there really no freedom from consequences?

Ah, so I think you may have done a little hop and a jump over a critical, load-bearing term which is “feel like”. You get to observe people who feel like there are no consequences. Their feelings may or may not be accurate.

You can sometimes see people who treat service workers, servants, or subordinates poorly because they feel like it’s permitted and free from consequence. You can also sometimes see people reveal things about themselves when playing games. It’s kind of a cliché that people find out that they’re transgender at the D&D table, and it happens because it’s a “consequence-free way” to act out a different gender role.

Or we can talk about that magic ring that makes you invisible. You know, the ring of Gyges, or that of Sauron. People can’t actually become invisible, but you can sometimes catch them in a situation where they think they can do something wrong and not get caught.

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by wahnfrieden on Friday February 27, 2026 @02:03AM (#47177449)
Free from consequence. In other words, free of any stakes. Zero stress low stakes environments enable larping.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by deadbishop on Friday February 27, 2026 @03:06AM (#47177907)
Exactly
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by bahmboo on Friday February 27, 2026 @12:01AM (#47176744)
Not all of us know who Dario, Jared, Sam and Jack are. Some clarification is helpful. That's all, no hidden agenda!
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by arduanika on Friday February 27, 2026 @12:11AM (#47176808)
I almost downvoted you, because this is a pretty classic LMGTFY (or now, LMLLMTFY), but on second thought, you're right. The "Dario" is clear, he's the author of TFA, but for other execs, Anthropic's fans on here should spell out their full names. Dropping all these first names feel like "inside baseball" at best, mildly culty at worst, and here outside the walls of Anthropic, we're going to see those names and think of Kushner, Altman, and maybe Dorsey, and get confused.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by Imustaskforhelp on Friday February 27, 2026 @12:34AM (#47176858)
I can agree that I thought it was jack dorsey but it looks like we are talking about jack clark [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Clark_(AI_policy_expert)]

It would be better if people could name them with their full names to avoid any confusion.

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by neom on Friday February 27, 2026 @12:32AM (#47176844)
Well I can only speak to Jack Clark. Jack was a reporter who covered my startup and then became my friend. Over the last.. I dunno, 13 year or something, we've had long deep talks about lots of things, pre-ai world: what it takes to build a big business, will QC ever become a thing, universal basic human love, kids, life, family. He is brilliant. The business I worked on that he covered went through a lot of shit that he knew about. We talked about power in business, internal politics, how things actually get built...all that stuff. Then... attention is all you need, bunch of folks grok it, he got interested... got to talking to these folks starting some little research lab to see how NN scales, so joined that lab, first 5/10 or so iirc...to head AI policy. That little lab grew, stuff happened, the next part isn't mine to share but so much as to say: Anthropic was basically born out of the expectation that this moment would come and more...extremely human focused...voices should be at the table, that is Anthropic, that idea, they left their jobs at the aforementioned lab - and started their own startup to make sure a certain tone/voice/idea was always represented. Around the summer 2024, although at this point we didn't discuss any specifics of the work at his "startup", I said to him: what comes next is going to be super hard and I know this is going to sound really stupid, but you're all going to need to be Jesus for real. I'm a Buddhist and it wasn't a literal religious comment about Christianity as a denomination, so much as... the very basics of the stuff the dude Jesus Christ espoused. He knew, they knew, that I suppose, was always the plan? So it was never unexpected to me they would act this way, that is what Anthropic is all about. Here we are.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by lebovic on Friday February 27, 2026 @12:41AM (#47176917)
Hah, you're right, I meant Dario Amodei, Jared Kaplan, and Sam McCandlish.

They're all cofounders of Anthropic. Dario is the CEO, Jared leads research, and Sam leads infra. Both Jared and Sam were the "responsible scaling officer", meaning they were responsible for Anthropic meeting the obligations of its commitments to building safeguards.

I think neom is referring to Jack Clark, another one of the seven cofounders.

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by kunai on Friday February 27, 2026 @12:47AM (#47176952)
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Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by dang on Friday February 27, 2026 @01:37AM (#47177310)
Please don't do this here.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by taurath on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:16PM (#47175993)
> it's easy to know how they will act when the going gets rough

Even if you went to burning man and your souls bonded, you only know a person at a particular point in time - people's traits flanderize, they change, they emphasize different values, they develop different incentives or commitments. I've watched very morally certain people fall to mania or deep cynicism over the last 10 years as the pillars of society show their cracks.

That said, it is heartening to know that some would predict anyone in Silicon Valley would still take a moral stance. But it would do better if not the same day he fires 4000 people to do the "scary big cut" for a shift he sees happening. I guess we're back to Thatcherisms, where "There Is No Other Option" to justify our conservatism.

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by michaelhoney on Thursday February 26, 2026 @11:07PM (#47176378)
"people's traits flanderize": nice
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by rl3 on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:22PM (#47176033)
>Even if you went to burning man and your souls bonded ...

I'll take: List of places I never want to bond my soul with someone at for one thousand, please.

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by tummler on Thursday February 26, 2026 @11:02PM (#47176343)
Oh, that's the best place for souls to bond.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by webnrrd2k on Friday February 27, 2026 @01:32AM (#47177272)
Bond to what -- that's the real question
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by shawn_w on Friday February 27, 2026 @04:37AM (#47178574)
Playa dust. It's certainly permanently bonded to my car.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by taurath on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:33PM (#47176149)
They get an air conditioned trailer and pay "sherpas" to do their chores, so its basically just a hotel suite
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by coffeemug on Friday February 27, 2026 @01:15AM (#47177144)
Your comment reminds me of a story. John Adams and Lafayette met in Massachusetts something like ~49 years after the revolution. (Lafayette went on a US tour to celebrate the upcoming 50 year anniversary of independence.) Supposedly after the meeting Adams said "this was not the Lafayette I knew" and Lafayette said "this was not the Adams I knew".
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by vintermann on Friday February 27, 2026 @03:11AM (#47177945)
In these days of the Epstein mails, it's worth remembering one thing that's become clear: Epstein was an extremely nice guy. He seemed kind, sincere, interested in what you were doing, civilized etc.

But to quote Little Red Riding Hood in Stephen Sondheim's musical: Nice is different than good. It's hard to accept if people you really like do horrible things. It's tempting to not believe what you hear, or even what you see. And Epstein was good at getting you to really like him, if he wanted to.

That doesn't mean we should be suspicious of niceness. It just means that we should realize, again, nice is different than good.

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by sp00chy on Friday February 27, 2026 @04:12AM (#47178399)
In German you say „Nett ist die kleine Schwester von Scheisse“ which means „Nice is the polite version of being an asshole“. And this is how I cope with what decision-makers say. Zuckerberg was also „nice“ for a long time.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by convivialdingo on Friday February 27, 2026 @11:03AM (#47182102)
Anyone who's grown up around the upper class social strata understands this to be true.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by ajyey on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:10PM (#47175948)
This is insanely naive
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by parasubvert on Friday February 27, 2026 @03:38AM (#47178134)
Cynicism isn't always correct.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by skeptic_ai on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:25PM (#47176058)
I doubt but let’s see how unfolds in 2 weeks.

If they are free -> agreed to give.

If are in prison -> they stand by their values.

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by Vaslo on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:44PM (#47176217)
Huh? Why would they be in prison??
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by skeptic_ai on Friday February 27, 2026 @12:14AM (#47176833)
> they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries

They are US adversaries if they don’t give to USA what they want… so as an adversary that doesn’t do what’s told to fit in line… you must go to prison.

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by Vaslo on Friday February 27, 2026 @10:02AM (#47181305)
This is silly. No one at anthropic is going to prison for this. It only hurts their ability to do business with US government customers which is a net negative for all. Anthropic will come around.
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by monster_truck on Thursday February 26, 2026 @09:00PM (#47175370)
You're kidding
Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by 000ooo000 on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:16PM (#47175991)
There's no way someone with billions on the line, running a company actively working to put millions out of jobs, would ever do something unethical dude.

/s

Re:Statement from Dario Amodei on Our Discussions with the D... by noduerme on Friday February 27, 2026 @01:23AM (#47177207)
The nature of evil is that it's straight down the road paved with good intentions.