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Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by superxpro12 on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @07:49PM (#47145813)
For all the progress, you lose me immediately with the "social credit" system. If there was really true 'progress', then you wouldn't need a one-party system that suppresses all dissent.

Only need to look to the recent changes in Hong-Kong and the obviously hostile takeover of a democratic government to see how "pure" these changes really are.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by xtn on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @08:09PM (#47145965)
There are bad things in China, but there is no "social credit" system being used.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by Saline9515 on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @08:36PM (#47146177)
Yes there is. Why deny it? It's pretty public. In this french documentary, which was later aired on the parliamentary tv channel, the author films his daily life with his chinese wife, who has a social credit account, and interviews officials speaking openly about it. It's 4 years old.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma6txLM_LLs

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by ivankabiden on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @10:59PM (#47147148)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit_system#Misconcep...

There is no so-called social credit system you western guys have in mind. There is a credit reporting system. It's not that different from the US credit reporting system. But it has far less of an impact on our daily lives than the US system on Americans. For example, no one asks for your credit report when you want to rent a house.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by yanhangyhy on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @09:32PM (#47146554)
i dont have.. and nobody talks about it.. in china.

this remind me one of the ep of the TV show <newsroom> when they found so many evidence of a massacre using chemical weapons and broadcast it.. and then found out its all fake.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by Saline9515 on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @11:14PM (#47147279)
If no one talks about it, why is this .gov.cn article discusses the problems currently posed by the existing social credit system? There isn't indeed a nation-wide score, but given the size of Chinese municipalities (often larger than most countries in the world), it's far from anecdotal.

https://credit.fgw.sh.gov.cn/xyyj/20220902/8693d5ba378d4f578...

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by ivankabiden on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @11:41PM (#47147405)
There is a credit reporting system, similar to the one in the US. However, most people are not affected by it in their daily lives. Only those who are in serious financial trouble and cannot pay off their debts are placed on a blacklist, which restricts them from traveling by high-speed rail or flights.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by transcriptase on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @12:02AM (#47147530)
Now go find a mirror and read your post out loud to yourself, slowly.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by dijit on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @09:22AM (#47151866)
The US also restricts peoples right to travel if they owe too much in taxes or have more than $2,500 in unpaid child support payments.

They can even revoke your passport (which is functionally the same thing as some forms of travel only accept a passport).

So, you're both doing the pointing spiderman meme here.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by grosswait on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @08:21AM (#47151113)
Yeah, I was on my way to being convinced that my understanding was a misconception, but this just halted that in its tracks. You’ve just stated the slippery slope has been built and is ready when desired.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by yanhangyhy on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @12:55AM (#47147850)
> There isn't indeed a nation-wide score

there is no score at all. even this article didn't talk about anything about 'score'. its no different compare to many other countries. soical credit system is a general concept.

I do wish everybody outside of china have your mindset. then we have nothing to worry about.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by stx5 on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @10:27PM (#47146926)
fake news!
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @04:13AM (#47149210)
There's a social credit system everywhere. It's called "money". It's quite literally and explicitly a credit system that rewards certain behaviours and castes and punishes and disempowers others.

The fact that everyone in the West is used to it doesn't alter the fact that it's social engineering at scale and not a law of nature.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by resters on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @08:27PM (#47146126)
Snowden's revelations showed that the same stuff exists in the US.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by hamandcheese on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @08:35PM (#47146175)
> If there was really true 'progress', then you wouldn't need a one-party system that suppresses all dissent.

This makes no sense. It is possible for a totalitarian government which is threatened by dissent and concepts like "democracy" to also work in the interest of improving overall quality of life.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by viraptor on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @09:21PM (#47146496)
If things work so well that everyone's quality or life is improved, why would there be dissent large enough to worry about.

It's the same category as: Why would a company with happy well paid workers be worried about unions and try to stop them forming.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by henrikschroder on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @12:05AM (#47147544)
> If things work so well that everyone's quality or life is improved, why would there be dissent large enough to worry about.

Have you met people?

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by viraptor on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @02:21AM (#47148449)
Sure. There's always going to be someone opposing something. But I'm not aware of cases where a disagreement in an environment good for everyone was large enough that it caused the leadership/government collapse. Similarly on a small scale, the number of grumpy people at companies I worked at scaled more or less with how good things were for everyone.

In other words, if things are good enough, there will be more people disagreeing with the totalitarian part than with the overall conditions.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by GreenWatermelon on Thursday February 26, 2026 @06:02AM (#47164413)
Foreign state-actors love to sow discontent in enemy territories. It doesn't matter what they say to rile up the population and cause instability -- they'll just do it.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by shimman on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @08:37PM (#47146184)
Dude come on, the US already has a social credit system. Where do you think China got the idea of credit scores from? Try getting a good loan in the US if your credit score is under 400. You're barred from having certain jobs if you don't have a good credit score.

Get some new talking points, you're like 40 years out of date.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by Saline9515 on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @08:56PM (#47146332)
The difference with China is that the US credit score is limited to your banking activities.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by m4ck_ on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @09:30PM (#47146546)
It's not just loans and banking. Bad credit severely limits your housing options, even rooms for rent are running credit checks these days. Some employers too, even in roles where you aren't directly handling money or anything close to it.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by Saline9515 on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @10:50PM (#47147087)
I understand this, but I meant that the data sources used to build credit scores are mainly banking/debt related. Jaywalking ore saying slurs online won't affect it, unlike in China.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by kakacik on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @11:21AM (#47153640)
*not yet. And if you are not US citizen and coming in as a tourist, what you write applies heavily and can end up in properly harsh treatment. So its not as rosy as you write (which already ain't rosy)
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by palmotea on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @01:34AM (#47148099)
The difference between a social credit score and a credit score is when you criticize the president, your social credit score goes down, but your credit score stays the same.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @04:19AM (#47149264)
The people who have been stalked and apprehended by ICE for online criticism of what ICE is doing might not agree.

As might visitors who are being asked to show five years of social media history to make sure their views are politically acceptable.

Free speech is over. If dissent isn't being actively punished - the current push for deanonymisation is coincidental, no doubt - at the very least it's heavily throttled algorithmically.

Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by digitalPhonix on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @10:41PM (#47147032)
Have you tried renting recently?
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by deadfoxygrandpa on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @03:43AM (#47148975)
what do you think china's credit system is like?
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by MSFT_Edging on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @07:41AM (#47150765)
That's not actually true. Companies can opt to report your employment to credit agencies, providing another datapoint in background checks.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by biggoodwolf on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @09:45PM (#47146653)
No true scotsman
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by r14c on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @02:08AM (#47148330)
I believe the premise is that you have to oppress the rich to a certain extent to prevent them from usurping the people's government for their own ends.
Re:Apple Accelerates US Manufacturing by thenthenthen on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @07:54AM (#47150879)
Social credit system is not really a thing. Yes various apps have various ‘credit scores’ and if you are convicted of crimes you can get travel limitations, but there is no such thing as a ‘social credit system’. Much like how the government is not centralised at all, provinces can make their own laws and so on.