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Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by csmantle on Sunday February 01, 2026 @07:16PM (#46850839)
Methodology is one thing; I can't really agree that deploying an LLM to do sums is great. Almost as hilarious as asking "What's moon plus sun?"

But phenomenon is another thing. Apple's numerical APIs are producing inconsistent results on a minority of devices. This is something worth Apple's attention.

Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by JimboOmega on Sunday February 01, 2026 @08:44PM (#46851431)
(This is a total digression, so apologies)

My mind instantly answered that with "bright", which is what you get when you combine the sun and moon radicals to make 明(https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%98%8E)

Anyway, that question is not without reasonable answers. "Full Moon" might make sense too. No obvious deterministic answer, though, naturally.

Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by awesome_dude on Sunday February 01, 2026 @10:29PM (#46852095)
FTR the Full Moon was exactly 5 hours ago (It's not without humour that this conversation occurs on the day of the full moon :)
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by cgriswald on Monday February 02, 2026 @12:35PM (#46858713)
In the game Clair Obscur sun plus moon equals twilight.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by butlike on Monday February 02, 2026 @01:17PM (#46859243)
You could play Infinite Craft and find out what the game thinks it is: https://neal.fun/infinite-craft/

Edit: Spoiler -

It's 'Eclipse'

Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by CrispinS on Sunday February 01, 2026 @09:04PM (#46851578)
> What's moon plus sun?

Eclipse, obviously.

Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by christophilus on Sunday February 01, 2026 @09:16PM (#46851650)
That’s sun minus moon. Moon plus sun is a wildly more massive, nuclear furnace of a moon that also engulfs the earth.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by mcny on Sunday February 01, 2026 @10:27PM (#46852083)
Wait so moon plus sun != sun plus moon? :Thinking:
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by chii on Monday February 02, 2026 @12:36AM (#46852795)
celestial objects don't need to obey algebraic commutativity!
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by direwolf20 on Monday February 02, 2026 @05:37AM (#46854487)
I wonder if SCP-1313 does
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by dcrazy on Sunday February 01, 2026 @10:04PM (#46851937)
This thread reminds me of Scribblenauts, the game where you conjure objects to solve puzzles by describing them. I suspect it was an inspiration for Baba Is You.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by Der_Einzige on Sunday February 01, 2026 @10:16PM (#46852023)
Scribblenauts was also an early precursor to modern GenAI/word embeddings. I constantly bring it up in discussions of the history of AI for this reason.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by veqq on Monday February 02, 2026 @12:52AM (#46852870)
Could you explain? :3
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by AuryGlenz on Sunday February 01, 2026 @11:13PM (#46852321)
Or potentially a sun that lasts slightly longer?
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by lkjdsklf on Monday February 02, 2026 @12:38AM (#46852806)
Here i was, like an idiot, thinking it was moon light
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by fsckboy on Monday February 02, 2026 @12:51AM (#46852864)
>Moon plus sun is a wildly more massive, nuclear furnace of a moon that also engulfs the earth.

i just looked up mass of sun vs mass of moon (they differ by 10^30 vs 10^20), and the elemental composition of the sun: the moon would entirely disappear into the insignificant digits of trace elements which are in the range of .01 % of the sun. I could be off by orders of magnitude all over the place and it would still disappear.

Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by SauntSolaire on Monday February 02, 2026 @01:01AM (#46852914)
Reminds me of this AI word combination game recently shared on HN, with almost exactly these mechanics:

https://neal.fun/infinite-craft/

For the record, Sun+Moon is indeed eclipse.

Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by tessierashpool9 on Monday February 02, 2026 @07:26AM (#46855175)
but then eclipse + moon = sun, which doesn't make much sense either :/
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by spacedcowboy on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:12AM (#46856905)
Not sure about that. You can't have an eclipse without both the moon and the sun. Ergo, the eclipse is the totality (sorry!) of the sun and moon, or sun+moon (+very specific boundary conditions).

Still think it was a good response :)

Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by geuis on Sunday February 01, 2026 @09:46PM (#46851830)
Not obvious. Astronomers are actively looking for signatures of exomoons around exoplanets. So "sun plus moon" could mean that too.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by xattt on Sunday February 01, 2026 @09:59PM (#46851903)
The OP said moon + sun, rather than sun + moon. We have no idea yet if celestial math is non-communicative.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by BenjiWiebe on Sunday February 01, 2026 @11:34PM (#46852436)
*commutative
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by tbrownaw on Sunday February 01, 2026 @11:52PM (#46852549)
Well, that too.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by godelski on Monday February 02, 2026 @01:21AM (#46853025)
Well you find the signature by looking for a dip in but sun's luminosity. So minus might be the better relationship here
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by jraph on Monday February 02, 2026 @04:06AM (#46853916)
Moon plus sun would be sun because the sun would be an absorbing element.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by acka on Monday February 02, 2026 @04:22AM (#46854007)
Moon implies there is a planet the moon is orbiting. So unless the planet and its moon are too close to the sun the long term result could also be: solar system.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by jraph on Monday February 02, 2026 @04:27AM (#46854036)
This goes to show how that plus operation is awfully defined.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by speed_spread on Monday February 02, 2026 @07:13AM (#46855092)
That's operator overloading for you.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by IsTom on Monday February 02, 2026 @05:22AM (#46854394)
INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by nkrisc on Monday February 02, 2026 @09:13AM (#46856257)
The set of celestial objects visible to the naked eye during the day.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by idk1 on Monday February 02, 2026 @03:33AM (#46853758)
As an aside, one of my very nice family members like tarot card reading, and I think you'd get an extremely different answer for - "What's moon plus sun?" - something like I would guess as they're opposites - "Mixed signals or insecurity get resolved by openness and real communication." - It's kind of fascinating, the range of answers to that question. As a couple of other people have mentioned, it could mean loads of things. I thought I'd add one in there.

I'll just add that if you think this advice applies to you, it's the - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect

Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by nonoesp on Monday February 02, 2026 @05:48AM (#46854555)
> What's moon plus sun?

"Monsoon," says ChatGPT.

Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by embedding-shape on Monday February 02, 2026 @06:36AM (#46854834)
"moonsun" says JavaScript, 1-0 to JS I'd say.
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by TimByte on Monday February 02, 2026 @09:11AM (#46856234)
The scary part isn't "LLMs doing sums." It's that the same deterministic model, same weights, same prompt, same OS, produces different floating-point tensors on different devices
Re:My thousand dollar iPhone can't do math by layer8 on Monday February 02, 2026 @09:28AM (#46856427)
> Almost as hilarious as asking "What's moon plus sun?"

It’s a reasonable Tarot question.