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Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by dyauspitr on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:04PM (#46669594)
The Americans you’re trying to reach are not here. They’re in Facebook and right wing social bubbles with a constant influx of fresh slop propaganda. It’s unprecedented in the fact that it’s affecting people at the family unit level with people tearing off into political parties within families that cut off all contact from each other.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by yoyohello13 on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:15PM (#46669750)
You'd be surprised how many people on HN voted for this. A lot of people seem to only care about their stock portfolio, and Trump makes number go up.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by rpiguy on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:34PM (#46669959)
Has nothing to do with my stock portfolio but I do appreciate you acknowledging that plenty of Hacker News readers like me are conservative.

The assumption of left wing political consensus on this platform is astonishing at times.

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by dxdm on Sunday January 18, 2026 @01:48PM (#46670851)
"Conservatism" used to mean something that is incompatible with voting for what's become of the Republican party.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by yoyohello13 on Sunday January 18, 2026 @01:52PM (#46670898)
Well, whatever your reasons. I hope it was worth it.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by saubeidl on Sunday January 18, 2026 @01:25PM (#46670596)
I don't think anyone's ever assumed left wing consensus here. When's the last time you heard somebody here talk about public ownership of the means of production?
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by Sabinus on Sunday January 18, 2026 @04:44PM (#46672459)
Did you vote for Trump?

Do you approve of the immigration enforcement?

Do you approve of the tariff antics?

Do you approve of Trump torching American reputation with her allies?

Was Jan 6 an attempt to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power?

Would you vote for Trump again?

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by rpiguy on Sunday January 18, 2026 @05:08PM (#46672655)
Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes, but they were morons

No, not without an amendment allowing a third term, but even if there were an amendment probably still a No because he is too old and his very blunt and impolitic manner is not sustainable long-term in national leadership.

According to the WSJ, thr President has lost about 8% of his voters, so he should make some adjustments.

WSJ POLL: 92% of people who voted for Trump in 2024 are giving him a positive job rating today, including 70% who “strongly approve”

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by yoyohello13 on Sunday January 18, 2026 @05:46PM (#46672949)
Thanks for being honest. It is truly beyond my comprehension how someone can believe this. I don’t see how right and left can get along peacefully going forward when there is such a fundamental difference of core beliefs.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by rpiguy on Sunday January 18, 2026 @07:18PM (#46673601)
Democracy is incredibly hard.

If you start believing you can’t get along then society just turns into a rush to slam the Overton window shut on your opposition. Don’t give up hope.

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by slater on Sunday January 18, 2026 @05:48PM (#46672970)
TFG is collective punishment for the adults in the room voting in Obama twice.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by Sabinus on Sunday January 18, 2026 @07:46PM (#46673774)
>Yes, but they were morons [for trying Jan 6]

Do you agree that Trump instigated and directed the insurrection attempt as evidenced by him sending people to the Capitol, and making threatening phone calls to Senators while the mob advanced through the Capitol and the Senators and others begged him to tell the mob to go home?

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by rpiguy on Sunday January 18, 2026 @08:05PM (#46673900)
I don’t wholly agree with that statement. He repeatedly asked for people to remain peaceful in the run up to J6.

Even in his infamous 70 minute speech on the day of (which by the way was still going when most of the protestors were already at the capitol) where he called on people to “fight like hell” he called for peaceful demonstration.

“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

He did not call any senators. He called McCarthy and had a very heated conversation and when McCarthy told him to call off the protestors immediately the President barked back that he believed Antifa breached the capital, not his supporters (not true but that’s what the President believed at the time).

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by Sabinus on Sunday January 18, 2026 @09:51PM (#46674552)
>I don’t wholly agree with that statement.

So you partially agree that Trump is an insurrectionist?

>He repeatedly asked for people to remain peaceful in the run up to J6.

>Even in his infamous 70 minute speech on the day of ... he called for peaceful demonstration.

One "I'm sure you will be peaceful" at the beginning of a 70 minute speech is not an instruction to be peaceful, it's verbal window dressing for a speech where he told the crowd the election had been stolen and if they did not fight like hell they wouldn't have a country any more. He then directed them specifically to election proceedings he was already working to end either via the false slates of electors or having Pence unilaterally call the election fraudulent. He and his lawyers had created and submitted utterly false vote results from the states, and he repeatedly, publicly and privately, pressured Mike Pence to (illegally) reject the count itself as fraudulent.

>He did not call any senators. He called McCarthy

You missed out the part where McCarthy told him they were his supporters and the President ominously replied, "Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.”

The most damning part of the timeline that indicates Trump's use of the violence to get his way is how long it took him to say anything to the protesters. Well over an hour since the capital was broken into Trump tweets: "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!" This tweet was made after aides had been "unsuccessfully trying for up to 20 minutes" to get him to release a calming tweet.

Two more generic calls for peace via Twitter as he watches violence on TV for hours and is begged by multiple parties to intervene. Finally he's talked into a video call because the delay has been achieved and no more pressure can be applied to the Senators after Ashley Babbitt was shot, and the crowd begins winding down.

Then another round of calls to allied Senators to pressure them to vote against certifying the vote.

And all this is before you get to testimony that asserts that Trump's team was aware of the participation of the literal insurrectionist Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, that Trump was informed many, many times by his people there was no stolen election and no evidence, and that multiple Trump staff sought and received pardons for their actions.

So what part of this whole situation reads like someone trying to stop a riot, rather than someone using it a situation they created as leverage over America's most sacred political process? If you think there’s an innocent explanation, what is it? Why all the delays, and pressure, and false electors?

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by Hikikomori on Monday January 19, 2026 @05:04AM (#46677062)
Ain't no way he respond to this.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by fritzorino on Sunday January 18, 2026 @05:27PM (#46672810)
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Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by dang on Sunday January 18, 2026 @06:34PM (#46673325)
We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Please don't create accounts to do that with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by dyauspitr on Sunday January 18, 2026 @01:38PM (#46670750)
I believe you’re right but at this point it’s a single issue cult for a lot of folks. For instance, I know a very rational, personable guy that seems generally progressive on a variety of social issues but calls for the extermination of trans people with a straight face. There’s no reasoning with these people, even the ones swayed by rational opinion in other parts of their life.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by zarmsdos on Sunday January 18, 2026 @03:48PM (#46672005)
That sounds extreme. Do you mean extermination as in mass murder? Or do you just mean he rejects the underlying ideology and would like to see policy that does the same?
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by dyauspitr on Sunday January 18, 2026 @04:39PM (#46672416)
Lined up against the wall
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by zarmsdos on Sunday January 18, 2026 @07:23PM (#46673640)
That's crazy, even the right-wingers aren't usually that heinous in their views.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by hwguy45 on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:49PM (#46670143)
Well I'm here but my comments get down voted and flagged. Hn is its own bubble. AMA. Or just keep downvoting me.