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Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by tzs on Thursday January 15, 2026 @05:56PM (#46640608)
Up to the 2008 election the Republican party platform called for reducing fossil fuel use, establishing a Climate Prize for scientists who solve the challenges of climate change, a long term tax credit for renewable energy (with specific mentions of solar and wind), more recycling, and making consumer products more energy efficient.

They wanted to aggressively support technological advances to reduce the dependence of transportation on petroleum, giving examples of making cars more efficient (they mention doubling gas mileage) and developing more flex-fuel and electric vehicles. They talked about honoraria of many millions of dollars for technological developments that could eliminate the need for gas powered cars.

They also mentioned promoting wireless communication to increase telecommuting options and reduce business travel.

All that was gone by 2012. I'm not sure what caused the change.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by bertjk on Thursday January 15, 2026 @06:24PM (#46640907)
Fracking. Before fracking people were worried about "peak oil", and being dependent on unfriendly governments for our basic energy needs. Then with fracking we realized we are actually sitting on huge available oil reserves, and peak oil quickly became a quaint outdated concept.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by rob74 on Thursday January 15, 2026 @10:11PM (#46642566)
That may be part of it, but as your parent comment mentioned, the Republicans weren't only worried about peak oil and being dependent on unfriendly governments, but also about climate change. Of course, none of these three problems went away, the point where fossil fuels will be exhausted just got pushed further into the future, and the fact that it will take more and more effort and environmental damage to get to the remaining resources is also undeniable.

But yeah, I guess your answer still applies indirectly: Fracking -> stronger interests by US oil companies -> money to the Republican party -> fossil fuel friendly regulations.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by blindriver on Thursday January 15, 2026 @11:10PM (#46642919)
The US is now the largest exporter of oil in the world.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by casey2 on Friday January 16, 2026 @12:04AM (#46643160)
Fracking has nothing to do with energy. When you look at EROI oil from a gusher is around ~100:1. For solar 10-25:1, wind 20-50:1, Fracking is 10:1 and most of that doesn't end up as diesel

It's useful for the plastics and petrochemical industry, but it's not going to make the country energy independent, even including battery costs wind still trounces.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by jtbaker on Friday January 16, 2026 @01:10AM (#46643510)
Isn't LNG a byproduct of the fracking process - and natural gas has taken over a good chunk of coal's role in our electricity generation?
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by defrost on Friday January 16, 2026 @01:47AM (#46643704)
Extracting LNG may or may not be via fracking, and may come from conventional or unconvential fields.

The largest LNG gas fields currently producing are not being "fracked", eg:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pars/North_Dome_Gas-Cond...

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by CGMthrowaway on Friday January 16, 2026 @12:12AM (#46643196)
Speaking to the grandparent comment, fracking is precisely what earned US "energy independence" for the first time ever, in 2011.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by maest on Friday January 16, 2026 @12:16AM (#46643215)
> earned US "energy independence"

In a very myopic way.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by CGMthrowaway on Friday January 16, 2026 @12:54PM (#46649460)
With the benefit of hindsight, yes. A lot of money was lost in the fracking boom after the price of oil crashed
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by zingar on Friday January 16, 2026 @01:37AM (#46643662)
Not that it changes your point, but the other day I met a republican who said he doesn’t think climate change is a thing but peak oil, now that’s something to worry about.

The longevity of this plus the “no anthropogenic climate change” nonsense is astounding. Armchair climate sceptics are happy to seriously stick to talking points that are so out of date that even the oil industry doesn’t use them anymore.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by mlrtime on Friday January 16, 2026 @06:22AM (#46645334)
So you met a person, they told you their Party Affiliation, then went to tell you how it isn't "real".

Sorry I don't believe your paraphrasing of this person's real thoughts and ideas. I'm sure these people exist, but it doesn't mean anything. I could equally go find someone crazy saying the world is going to end this year.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by tzs on Friday January 16, 2026 @02:00PM (#46650539)
> I'm sure these people exist, but it doesn't mean anything.

One of those people is the current President of the United States.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by miguelazo on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:19PM (#46675024)
Along with most of the people who voted for him.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by taskforcegemini on Monday January 19, 2026 @01:39PM (#46682781)
>I could equally go find someone crazy saying the world is going to end this year.

Given current events, one doesn't have to be crazy to believe this

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by V__ on Thursday January 15, 2026 @06:42PM (#46641084)
Obama was elected, which made some people very angry:

> Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We’re going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

> Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

Sure Trump took everything to an absurd level of "do the opposite of biden no matter what", but it started back then.

[1] https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromis...

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by tim-tday on Thursday January 15, 2026 @07:02PM (#46641275)
As far as I can tell they hated Obama not for what he did, said or believed. Those things were quite middle of the road.

They hated him for what he was.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by peyton on Thursday January 15, 2026 @08:14PM (#46641821)
Didn’t help that he showed up at his first couple Senate meetings gloating about winning the election. And tried to set working hours for his former colleagues. Among other things.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by boston_clone on Thursday January 15, 2026 @08:51PM (#46642062)
"Other things" most obviously being the racism caused in part by significant cognitive dissonance that uniquely affects white supremacists when having a black president.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by rob74 on Thursday January 15, 2026 @10:15PM (#46642583)
Well, those things sound very quaint compared to what Trump did and does, no matter if you take his first or his second term...
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by datsci_est_2015 on Thursday January 15, 2026 @11:04PM (#46642884)
The audacity! I’m clutching my pearls.

Obstructionism as a core tenet of the (former) Republican platform is reprehensible, and retrospectively probably led to quite a bit of discontent with the government’s inability to address problems that Americans face. That same discontent fomented the current reactionary swing, so in the end maybe they really got what they wanted. Shameful.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by mindslight on Friday January 16, 2026 @04:14PM (#46652302)
[delayed]
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by arbitrary_name on Friday January 16, 2026 @12:28AM (#46643299)
Gloating? Oh no! We should impeach him!
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by slater on Thursday January 15, 2026 @07:17PM (#46641402)
But his tan suit!!
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by zobzu on Thursday January 15, 2026 @11:44PM (#46643062)
bs. obama fucked up healthcare even more, bombed everyone (even americans) and deported more than trump.

color bait.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by komali2 on Friday January 16, 2026 @09:07PM (#46654608)
He did that before he was elected?
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by ninkendo on Thursday January 15, 2026 @08:22PM (#46641867)
> The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

I remember that day vividly.

It was the middle of the Great Recession, it was the worst our economy was doing in a long time. Millions were out of work. People were looking to the government to see what the plan was to get the country back on track.

A reporter asks McConnell what the senate’s number one priority was.

The answer? Not fixing the economy, not helping out every day Americans. Not finding the root cause of the crash and making sure it doesn’t happen that way again.

No, the answer was “make sure Obama is a one term president.” That’s all we would expect from the senate for the next 6 years.

The day McConnell said that, I said out loud: “I will never vote Republican again for the rest of my life.” (Prior to that point I mostly voted D but not 100% of the time.)

And I plan to keep that promise until I die.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by raziel2p on Friday January 16, 2026 @01:29AM (#46643622)
have democrats not made similar statements about Trump, him being a danger to democracy and such?
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by defrost on Friday January 16, 2026 @01:33AM (#46643637)
Sure. And Republicans, and many world leaders.

Trump is well outside the norms of POTUS's through history.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by azernik on Friday January 16, 2026 @07:17AM (#46645714)
In 2008-9 Republicans did not even make the pretense of Obama being a threat to democracy. (Which would have been absurd in a way it isn't for Trump, who tried to overthrow an election he lost.)
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by komali2 on Friday January 16, 2026 @09:07PM (#46654604)
I remember when some lady called Obama "Muslim" (in the same tone of voice as she'd say "demon" or something) and Mitt Romney took the microphone from her and said "no, no, we disagree politically but he's a good man."

Shows how poorly those politicians understood the constituency they were fomenting. He was boo'd for it by people that had come to see him specifically, and about 15 years later, republican voters built a scaffold outside the Capital they were breaking into while chanting about hanging the Republican vice president.

I feel like American politicians often play with fire without understanding its nature as something that burns.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by alex43578 on Friday January 16, 2026 @01:09PM (#46649696)
You don’t understand, it’s different when the democrats do it - just like when Obama deported more people than Trump.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by quinndexter on Monday January 19, 2026 @07:01AM (#46678007)
The way deportations were calculated by the administration was changed to include certain types of border rejections, IIRC.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by mindslight on Friday January 16, 2026 @04:05PM (#46652199)
Sit down.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by adabyron on Thursday January 15, 2026 @10:26PM (#46642643)
I recommend John Boehner's book. He complimented Obama often, stated he & his team were far more ready than McCain to work with Bush on the economy. They were smoking buddies.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by CGMthrowaway on Friday January 16, 2026 @12:14AM (#46643204)
History rhymes.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by Swoerd123 on Friday January 16, 2026 @07:55AM (#46645918)
I'd have to be full on, 100% retarded to have voted for Donald Trump.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by x0b4dc0d3 on Thursday January 15, 2026 @07:35PM (#46641532)
You’re not sure?

In a word: Greed. In two words: Crony Capitalism. The spend on “non-renewable“ energy is significant to the domestic economy. In 2023 (most recent year I could find), consumer spend on energy in the US was $1.6T (https://css.umich.edu/publications/factsheets/energy/us-ener...) with at least 82% of that being fossil fuels - the remainder being “renewables” and nuclear energy (https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=62444). This does not include billions in subsidies and infrastructure investment.

“Going green” would threaten the American Greed Machine by cutting upwards of $150B in taxes annually, interfering with the individual, corporate, and government gains from the stock and commodities markets, causing short-term inflation due to commodity value spikes, and long-term deflation due to renewable energy being relatively very low cost to generate after the infrastructure is in place. Last, but certainly there is more, the US exports a massive amount of oil and gas. Divesting from fossil fuel production would have a significant impact on GDP (find your own source).

This is why the US doesn’t invest in infrastructure that doesn’t generate significant ongoing income like it once did - it simply doesn’t make enough money. We only act once it is falling apart.

It is all about the money, man. That money is power. It keeps the Corporatocracy and those at the top of it in charge, the US as the primary reserve currency and allows the US to have a huge, formidable military.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by tzs on Thursday January 15, 2026 @09:25PM (#46642299)
That was all true long before 2008 so doesn't explain why the Republican platform changed nearly 180 degrees on this between 2008 and 2012.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by shevy-java on Thursday January 15, 2026 @09:34PM (#46642347)
Well - greed explains this though. Plus, you can also run fake-policies - the USA has done so numerous times before. Flip-Flopping happens in both parties there.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by graeme on Friday January 16, 2026 @02:28AM (#46643965)
Human greed has existed as long as humans have existed.

"Grr greed" is an easy answer that's popular these days but by itself it can't explain a change as it's a constant factor in us as a species.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by jancsika on Friday January 16, 2026 @12:18AM (#46643230)
Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic. It was clearly Citizens United (2008) and the explosive growth of Super PACs that followed.

Unlimited spending from the fossil fuel industry basically standardized Republican candidates on climate denial talking points. Plus whatever bizarre fetishes random Republican billionaires had, like Adelson keeping Gingrich's primary campaign on life support for months. That fucked up Romney's pivot to the general election for no perceivable gain to any of them. According to Wikipedia Adelson spent over $90 million on losing candidates in 2012!

All of that was through Super PACs.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by DonnyV on Friday January 16, 2026 @09:19AM (#46646572)
Citizens United legalized bribery. Now the politicians could make real money by ignoring the public.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by g-b-r on Thursday January 15, 2026 @06:15PM (#46640803)
Oh come on, Bush was the first disaster in the fight against climate warming.

His "win" might be one of the most impactful sliding doors in the human history.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by xbmcuser on Thursday January 15, 2026 @08:42PM (#46642009)
Fracking and access to cheap gas and oil
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by philamonster on Thursday January 15, 2026 @09:55PM (#46642471)
Republicans. Remember them?
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by kristopolous on Thursday January 15, 2026 @11:37PM (#46643037)
I don't think anyone's nailing this right

It's manufactured grievance. Opportunists politicize losing positions for political gain because they're inherently anti-elite, anti-establishment and upset experts and the informed.

Upon this antagonization is conflict which brings on drama, eyeballs, and advertisers.

It's an attention flywheel that brings loyalty, builds a moat, and sets a differentiator...

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by megaBiteToEat on Thursday January 15, 2026 @11:38PM (#46643042)
> All that was gone by 2012. I'm not sure what caused the change.

It was all lies to try and win elections.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by giwook on Friday January 16, 2026 @12:12AM (#46643193)
Big coal got involved. Undoubtedly one or more billionaires in the dirty energy industry would have seen their substantial wealth dwindle to the mere single-digit billions and started paying politicians a lot of money. There's simply no other explanation because to actively kill clean energy projects that are 90% complete and is not only cleaner than coal but also now cheaper is simply illogical and irrational.
Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by jmyeet on Friday January 16, 2026 @12:23AM (#46643268)
So John McCann did run on reducing fossil fuel usage and promoting a greater mix of energy technologies but I wouldn't say that changed by 2012 per se. McCain himself was the anomaly that didn't match earlier or later candidates. For example, Bush did open up ANWR to drilling, even though that was purely symbolic and nobody is going up there to drill or has done in the 20 intervening years (apart from some minor exploratory drilling by Chevron).

Also, I'd say McCain's policy was more based on a national security argument than a climate argument. As others have pointed out, fracking changed everything. In 2008 we were a huge net importer of oil. Now we're a huge net exporter.

Mines (including oil wells) are huge wealth concentrators. A handful of very wealthy people benefit hugely from resource extraction. And the US government, as a whole regardless of party, represents the interests of large corporations both domestically and overseas.

Anyway, Bush (either one) didn't run on renewable energy. Neither did the candidates that came after. 2012 was just a reversion to mean.

Re:Photos Capture the Breathtaking Scale of China's Wind and... by fuzzer371 on Friday January 16, 2026 @02:18AM (#46643903)
A black man was elected president.