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Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by embedding-shape on Saturday January 03, 2026 @05:31AM (#46475017)
Did the US not used to require congress authorization before engaging in violent repression against other sovereign nations? Or is that not needed anymore? Seems it was a long time ago the US actually followed their own practices, was this capturing of Maduro basically Russia's "Special Operations" but somehow "actually good this time" or something like that?
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by jimkleiber on Saturday January 03, 2026 @05:40AM (#46475075)
Especially for the supposed capturing of a foreign leader. But maybe we did this with Gaddafi and Hussein, not sure what Congressional approval there was for those either. Apparently H.W. Bush also ordered the capture of Noriega for drug trafficking charges.

I'm tired of the US thinking that military forceful action is the way to resolve conflicts, especially the way to win the "war on drugs." We should be much more effective at reducing drug addiction if we realized that it's not so much about the drugs, it's about our growing culture of conflict and emotional avoidance. When a population lets itself feel sadness, feel pain, and reinterpret conflicts from the assumed "they don't care about me" to "they care more about me than I may ever realize," then I am willing to bet the drug industry will shrink significantly.

Punishing those who sell drugs often just perpetuates this idea that punishment resolves conflict, which I'm very willing to bet actually _increases_ our tendency to be addicted to drugs.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by Saline9515 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @08:02AM (#46476080)
Every culture consumes drugs. There was a massive heroine consumption problem before WWI in the US, which was largely mitigated by making it illegal to sell it over-the-counter.

It's far easier to reduce consumption by cutting the supply entering your country, than solving the self-actualization issues (is it even one?) of your population.

People selling drugs such as fentanyl or cocaine have various techniques to hook consumers and keep them addicted regardless of their mental state. Selling hard drugs is criminalized for a good reason.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by embedding-shape on Saturday January 03, 2026 @08:18AM (#46476248)
> It's far easier to reduce consumption by cutting the supply entering your country

So easy. Exactly why Sweden have had a "zero tolerance" policy against drugs, particularly Cannabis, yet usage keeps growing no matter how much resources they keep throwing at stricter border controls and trying to reduce both supply and demand by arresting everyone with even traces of Cannabinoids in their blood. https://www.euda.europa.eu/publications/country-drug-reports...

> People selling drugs such as fentanyl or cocaine have various techniques to hook consumers and keep them addicted regardless of their mental state. Selling hard drugs is criminalized for a good reason.

You're making the argument for why these things should be sold in controlled circumstances, rather than by private individuals who don't care about anything else but themselves, yet you end with "is criminalized for a good reason". Completely opposite, you're making the argument for why it needs to be legalized.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by Saline9515 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:05AM (#46478201)
There is a difference between "0 tolerance", which affects mainly users, and "no entry", which prevents the product to reach your border.

In the case of Sweden, it is mainly a symptom of non-european immigration, using their criminal networks to import the product. Netherland is dominated by Moroccan mafia, France by the Algerian mafia, and so on. Remigrating them would likely solve a big part of the problem.

> controlled selling

Yes, that's already the case in most countries: I can get opioids such as morphine in the case of surgical operation. Many ADHD teens get derivatives of amphetamines. No one is against this.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by rich_sasha on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:38AM (#46478615)
OTBE, if you reduce supply, prices tend to increase. So although you're getting less of the stuff in, you're equally incentivised as a criminal.

OTOH, if demand drops, that's real money out of traffickers pockets. They sell less, and at lower prices.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by Saline9515 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:30PM (#46479250)
If you reduce supply, less product is consumed by society, which is the intended effect.
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by embedding-shape on Saturday January 03, 2026 @01:52PM (#46480150)
You have to think as a person who does drugs though. You want to get high, and product A is not available, what do you do?

You're not solving any problems, you're moving them around. What's the point?

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by Saline9515 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @03:08PM (#46481010)
They will consume less product A as a result. If product A is highly destructive/addictive (e.g, crack), it's a win.
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by mrWiz on Saturday January 03, 2026 @05:25PM (#46482355)
In practice they tend to substitute A with B, and B is often times even more destructive (black market fentanyl rather than medical opioids, or just inhalants).
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by squigz on Saturday January 03, 2026 @08:40AM (#46476481)
> It's far easier to reduce consumption by cutting the supply entering your country, than solving the self-actualization issues (is it even one?) of your population.

Stuff like this is hard to believe in 2025 without really compelling evidence.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by Saline9515 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:32AM (#46477804)
I gave you an example. You have similar examples in the XXth century, such as post-war amphetamin consumption in Europe.

The reverse is also true: the crack epidemic was caused by a dramatic increase in the supply of cocaine, which allowed even the poorest members of society to afford it. It's happening again now in Europe.

We can discuss about the criminalization of users and its effects on society, but in the case of the sellers I don't really see a case, especially when you know the conditions in which drugs are produced, involving often borderline slavery and wide corruption networks.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by jimkleiber on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:24AM (#46477013)
Perhaps, if our main goal is to simply reduce consumption of a specific drug. The problem I see is that problem avoidance finds other paths. Get rid of heroine? People will use marijuana. Marijuana gone? People use alcohol. Alcohol gone? People use video games.

I don't think the drugs are inherently the problem, as there's a paper I loved talking about different kinds of escapism: one where people escape to avoid problems and the second where people escape to solve problems.

So I still think the root is problem avoidance, which at an even more root level is emotional avoidance, especially of "bad" feelings, mostly sadness.

So I don't see it as self-actualization for some noble goal, but rather a practical how do I actually solve problems in my life goal.

tldr; banning certain drugs can be whack-a-mole, trying to solve symptoms but not the problem.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by Saline9515 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:29AM (#46478480)
This is why it's more effective to focus on the most destructive drugs. Video games don't make you lose your teeth and become a burglar to buy the new CoD season pass (so far!).
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by jimkleiber on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:54PM (#46479489)
If heroin were legal, in my current phase of life, I don't think I'd take it. I don't like even being drunk, and alcohol is very legal in most places I've lived.

But I dunno, I tend to say we should make it harder to get guns, so I want to reflect a little more on my double standard.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by quickthrowman on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:31AM (#46477091)
> People selling drugs such as fentanyl or cocaine have various techniques to hook consumers and keep them addicted regardless of their mental state. Selling hard drugs is criminalized for a good reason.

You don’t need any special tricks to keep someone buying fentanyl, the withdrawals are your sales pitch.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by Saline9515 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:01AM (#46478128)
Drug dealers often text ex-users proposing free products to get back their lost client, for instance.
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by hmmokidk on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:05AM (#46478194)
People selling drugs bit is not true. No one gets addicted bc the sellers. They get addicted because of the conditions of their own lives.

With the exception of medicinally. Like lost op painkillers. But that’s different than what you’re saying.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by Saline9515 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:12AM (#46478289)
It really depends on where you live and the repression. In France, drug dealers paint large ads on buildings, advertising coke and weed, flood telegram channels and so on. If alcohol and cigarettes sellers do it on a massive scale, why wouldn't other drug dealers do the same (if the conditions allow it).

Drug users can be found at every stage of the society, either because of psychological/genetic issues making them more prone to consume, or because it's a cultural thing to do it (e.g alcohol), or there is peer pressure leading to consumption. Your living conditions have little to do about it, really.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by NoLinkToMe on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:09AM (#46476834)
Agreed, but this has nothing to do with drugs.
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by analognoise on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:17PM (#46479105)
Operation: Epstein Distraction is go.
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by chneu on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:47AM (#46477972)
This whole thing is an oil grab. Simple as that.
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by cyanydeez on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:00PM (#46478885)
Ok, but to be clear, its a capitalist oil grab to protect business interests and oligarchy.

People seem to conflate whats supposed to be separate in these realms

Like, when we talk about farmer subsidies, wedont call it food grab, when its functionally the same.

Shouldnt we just drop this american democracy facade for a hybrid corporatocracy with optional citizen input?

Anyway, oil grab suggests American government, rather than business interests, benefits.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by pstuart on Saturday January 03, 2026 @01:22PM (#46479820)
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by satvikpendem on Saturday January 03, 2026 @05:42AM (#46475086)
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 allows the president 60 days to engage in conflicts without Congress express' approval.
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by unsupp0rted on Saturday January 03, 2026 @05:41AM (#46475084)
Most organizations ignore their policies and stated missions and do whatever they were going to do anyway, then justify it after the fact (or when they get in trouble)
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by embedding-shape on Saturday January 03, 2026 @06:28AM (#46475388)
> Most organizations

Most? I doubt that. Many? Yes. But because "many" can't avoid being hypocrites constantly, doesn't mean we suddenly should stop calling it out when we see it, don't you agree?

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by unsupp0rted on Saturday January 03, 2026 @06:51AM (#46475532)
I would say almost all organizations ignore their missions and operate orthogonal to their stated policies, after 100 years or so

“Calling it out” is meaningless

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by embedding-shape on Saturday January 03, 2026 @06:59AM (#46475590)
> I would say almost all organizations ignore their missions

There are countless of organizations who follow their stated missions even after 100, 200, 400 or even 800 years. I'm not sure you should judge it based on some young US organizations, or whatever you're going by.

> “Calling it out” is meaningless

Not calling it out is cowardice and complacency. "Calling it out" might have a tiny effect, but it surely beats nothing.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by beloch on Saturday January 03, 2026 @05:49AM (#46475137)
"The last time the United States formally declared war, using specific terminology, on any nation was in 1942, when war was declared against Axis-aligned Hungary, Bulgaria, and Romania, because President Franklin Roosevelt thought it was improper to engage in hostilities against a country without a formal declaration of war. Since then, every American president has used military force without a declaration of war.[1]"

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[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_Unit...

Korea was not a war. Vietnam was not a war. Iraq I and II were not wars. Afghanistan was not a war. The "War on Terror" was not a war. You could be forgiven for thinking this invasion of a sovereign foreign country is a war, but it's not a war according to any law that is likely to be enforced within the USA.

Power accumulates in places it shouldn't be permitted unless the people occasionally claw it back and redistribute it. Unfortunately, Americans failed to claw back the power to declare war from the POTUS almost a century ago. Trump's reasons for declaring not-war (cough Wag the dog. cough Epstein. cough) are more unprecedented than his methods in this particular case.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by esseph on Saturday January 03, 2026 @05:44AM (#46475103)
Senate Armed Services committee didn't even know.
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by senectus1 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @06:13AM (#46475297)
hes a king... why would they need to know?
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by porridgeraisin on Saturday January 03, 2026 @05:44AM (#46475102)
Post 9/11 US president is allowed to take action against terrorists without any approval(AUMF). Hence the months/years long messaging around "narcoterrorism" and it's links to venezuela. Not saying the drugs don't exist, but AUMF is selectively applied to say the least.

Now the real reason is that venezuela is a "hostile influence in the western hemisphere" both from a russia/china perspective as well as an energy security perspective so this was a matter of when not if (monroe doctrine and all that).

This is not the first time the US has intervened in LatAm, and it won't be the last. Being the sole influence in N and S america is a defining feature of america and all americans, and has been so since 1823.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by rascul on Saturday January 03, 2026 @08:11AM (#46476193)
> Being the sole influence in N and S america is a defining feature of america and all americans

All Americans do not agree. You are mistaken.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by embedding-shape on Saturday January 03, 2026 @06:29AM (#46475400)
> and it won't be the last

The current US administration seemed to prefer isolationism (at least up until today), and seems hellbent on destroying the US economy. If they're successful in their goals, this might very well be the last SA intervention from the US for a very long time. Maybe they're aware of this, and this is some sort of dead-cat bounce or whatnot.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by porridgeraisin on Saturday January 03, 2026 @07:20AM (#46475736)
Isolationism will never become so strong that they limit influence to literally the country USA. If anything, they will refocus efforts on the americas, taiwan, rest of the pacific, away from the middle east and the indopac[1]. This means making sure japan, phillipines and taiwan are US allied, and of course that they are the sole influence in the Americas.

[1] which they have taken a lot of massive steps towards recently

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by embedding-shape on Saturday January 03, 2026 @07:24AM (#46475761)
That would require a functional economy though, which is why the US been able to do what they've been doing. Without it, I'm not sure how they're hoping to achieve this, but I'm guessing "oil" somehow is involved in the calculation, considering today's actions.
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by porridgeraisin on Saturday January 03, 2026 @07:39AM (#46475883)
Ya, I find predictions for what would happen in that scenario extremely noisy. Tend to avoid them.

But I do believe that a lot of the US government posturing that if implemented would be bad for economy (which you are alluding to), will not actually happen. A massive revamp of the economy is what the majority voting bloc in the US wishes for, so the winning politician will have to keep signalling in that direction. But actually following through with it, be it in a way with positive or negative effect, is extremely difficult. So I don't pay much attention to it.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by JeremyNT on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:02AM (#46476737)
> The current US administration seemed to prefer isolationism (at least up until today)

This is an interesting claim, what did you see to suggest this?

The tariffs are not isolationist, they are leverage held over trading partners used to coerce them.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by 0manrho on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:10AM (#46476843)
I keep seeing this comment regarding congressional authorization for war all over social media this morning, and am wondering why everyone seems to be aware of that, but not aware of the 80+ years of eroding those checks and balances and abandoning that precedent time and time again.

It's the 2020's, not 1920's. Congress hasn't declared war since WW2, and that hasn't stopped us from engaging the dozens of wars and armed conflicts we've been directly involved in since then.

To be clear, I'm not happy/proud of that fact. I think it's a moral and systemic failing, and do not support America's actions in Venezuela this morning. I'm just perplexed why everyone seems to think a precedent we abandonded long before most of us were even born suddenly applies today, or why they know about that law but don't know that we've violated it more times than we've observed it (without consequences), or don't know about the War Powers Act, or think that Congress would do anything but further enable him.

In short, why does everyone suddenly think that's relevant while also ignoring all the other relevant history that establishes we do not and have not observed that precedent in the modern era. Again, we *Should*, but did anyone honestly expect it to happen, or that congress wouldn't go along with it, or that the current POTUS would respect such law/precedent?

TL;DR: I don't think we should be going to war or engaging in armed conflict without congressional approval either, but the law and well established precedent both say POTUS legally has that power, at least in the short term, and we're not even 24hours into the 60 day period the War Powers act (which is 50 years old and passed by congress btw) grants.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by throwaway777x on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:36AM (#46477846)
I don't think the US Congress has declared war since Word War 2.

I would say this is the exact same thing we did with Manuel Noriega in 1988.

Personally, I hate that we do these things but it is certainly not impossible in the long run the lives of the Venezuelans will be improved.

It is hard to get an exact figure but inflation last year was 150-200% and that is an improvement from what they had. 50,000% hyperinflation at the end of the last decade.

Given I was just annoyed at my grocery bill an hour ago because of 3% inflation I really can't imagine what life is like with that level of inflation.

Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by inglor_cz on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:59AM (#46478876)
The last declared war was in 1942 against Romania and Bulgaria, IIRC.
Re:Late night pizzeria nearby The Pentagon has suddenly surg... by anonymousiam on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:58AM (#46478092)
Your legal concerns are covered here in detail: https://jonathanturley.org/2026/01/03/the-united-states-capt...