Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 limit is reached

Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by carolosf on Thursday December 25, 2025 @07:20AM (#46383980)

I used to use Mattermost. Highly recommend looking at Zulip as an alternative. (It’s my favourite slack alternative and even better than Slack because it’s the best at managing distractions IMO. It also has an interesting history was acquired by Dropbox and then back from Dropbox I believe)

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by paper2d on Thursday December 25, 2025 @09:01AM (#46384447)

Zulip too has similar restrictions even on their self hosted plans. SAML/LDAP is behind paywall too.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by Valodim on Thursday December 25, 2025 @09:53AM (#46384752)

This is false, SAML and LDAP are available. Zulip self hosted has all features with no restrictions, except for mobile notifications which require a subscription for $3.50/u/m (unless you are less than 10 users or are not a non-profit of any kind)

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by zukzuk on Thursday December 25, 2025 @10:27AM (#46384941)

It’s a bit odd though that Zulip charge $ for mobile notifications but still don’t have basic end-to-end encryption for those push notifications .

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by Valodim on Thursday December 25, 2025 @10:29AM (#46384950)

The feature is deployed in the server, mobile clients are still pending the release iinm. But it's coming.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by PunchyHamster on Thursday December 25, 2025 @01:11PM (#46386034)

It's a mix of "because they can" and "because they need to maintain infrastructure for mobile push".

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by RobotToaster on Thursday December 25, 2025 @10:06AM (#46384811)

> unless you are less than 10 users or are not a non-profit of any kind

They only give free accounts to non-profits with zero paid staff.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by paper2d on Friday December 26, 2025 @12:12PM (#46393985)

I stand corrected. SAML & LDAP is free in zulip.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by bayindirh on Thursday December 25, 2025 @09:13AM (#46384524)

Just looked to their self hosted plans:

    - No limitation on search, members, etc.
    - 10 user limit for mobile notifications, can be relaxed via community (for non-profits, FOSS projects, etc.)
    - SAML/LDAP *support* is available, you can configure it. They won't provide answers to your questions.
    - Actually, all Zulip features are enabled sans Mobile Notifications, but for most of them, you're on your own. If you know what you're doing, it's not a problem, I assume.

IOW, for self-hosted plans, you pay for support, not the software. a-la early RedHat model.

Ref: https://zulip.com/plans/#self-hosted-sponsorships

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by gtech1 on Thursday December 25, 2025 @09:11AM (#46384506)

What restrictions have you hit ?

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by paper2d on Thursday December 25, 2025 @09:17AM (#46384542)

Seeing their pricing page, mobile notifications for upto 10 users is too less.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by gtech1 on Thursday December 25, 2025 @09:21AM (#46384573)

But you mentioned similar...this is a discussion about message limits (and saml ?). Those are free for self hosted.

Push uses _their_ services. That's why it costs $$$. But you can build your own apns endpoint and plug into that at that volume

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by emptysongglass on Thursday December 25, 2025 @12:47PM (#46385886)

Push costs pennies. It's an arbitrary restriction.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by Volundr on Thursday December 25, 2025 @02:43PM (#46386601)

If you want to run your own push for pennies all you have to do is compile the client yourself.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by emptysongglass on Thursday December 25, 2025 @03:13PM (#46386758)

I'm not going to recompile and redistribute a binary outside the Play Store.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by Volundr on Thursday December 25, 2025 @05:41PM (#46387492)

Then your piggybacking on their infrastructure. I don't think they are unreasonable. "It can be done for pennies, but I won't" sort of implies that it does indeed take more than pennies worth of effort.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by gtech1 on Thursday December 25, 2025 @02:01PM (#46386348)

Then you pay for it. Nothing stops you

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by emptysongglass on Thursday December 25, 2025 @03:14PM (#46386763)

That's precisely my point. It's an arbitrary rent-seeking restriction.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by dlkckvll on Thursday December 25, 2025 @03:50PM (#46386953)

Publishing an app in popular app stores, for an organization, requires several $100 in annual fees. That’s before any mobile app is even published.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by gtech1 on Thursday December 25, 2025 @06:34PM (#46387753)

At this point I think he's just trolling. Nobody can be this entitled

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by emptysongglass on Saturday December 27, 2025 @12:34AM (#46399424)

It's a yearly fee that amounts to a couple hundred dollars. That's about an hour of an engineer's salary. Zulip's customers make this less than a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a rounding error.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by gtech1 on Thursday December 25, 2025 @09:10AM (#46384501)

I love Zulip too, use it daily, wrote some nice integrations for it. Never got why people preferred Mattermost over it

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by j45 on Thursday December 25, 2025 @12:52PM (#46385919)

Hope Zulip's discoverability improves.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by sundarurfriend on Thursday December 25, 2025 @01:08PM (#46386021)

In what sense?

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by muppetman on Thursday December 25, 2025 @02:13PM (#46386413)

I assume they mean the fact I myself know what Mattermost is but I've never heard of... now I even have to go back and load up the comment to find it's name again, Zulip

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by j45 on Monday December 29, 2025 @02:31AM (#46418276)

Exactly this. :)

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by mort96 on Thursday December 25, 2025 @03:55PM (#46386981)

Zulip is a kind of annoying name, and every time I encounter it it's in the context of some open source platform hiding their community discussion forum behind a login. I'm left with a not very great impression.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by jasongrout on Thursday December 25, 2025 @11:29PM (#46389239)

FYI, for a while now you can mark any Zulip channel as public, which means the chat history for that channel does not require a login to view. See https://zulip.com/help/public-access-option for more details.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by IshKebab on Friday December 26, 2025 @08:02AM (#46391612)

I don't like the way they push you to give a subject to every discussion. In a way it's more like a newsgroup replacement than Slack, whereas Mattermost is a straight-up Slack clone.

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Re:Mattermost restricted access to old messages after 10000 ... by fittingopposite on Thursday December 25, 2025 @02:30PM (#46386525)

How does Zulip compare to Matrix/Element?

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