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Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by JosephjackJR on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @05:22AM (#46132749)
Anthropic is burning roughly $1B a quarter right now, has no clear path to profitability, and is still riding on the same “we’re the safe AI” narrative that’s starting to wear thin as everyone else catches up on safety tooling. Their revenue run-rate is reportedly in the low single-digit billions at best, which would put them at a price-to-sales multiple of 50–100× if they actually hit that valuation. For context, OpenAI at its last round was “only” ~80B on similar (or higher) revenue expectations. The moat feels increasingly shaky too. Claude is great, but the gap to GPT-4o, Gemini 2, and the open-source frontier is shrinking fast, and they’re still heavily dependent on AWS credits rather than owning their own infra like Google or Meta. At $300B they’d be priced for perfection in a world where perfection doesn’t exist yet. I’d be shocked if it actually prices anywhere near that. Curious what others think.
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by pu_pe on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @05:51AM (#46132971)
The optimistic view is that Anthropic is one of about four labs in the world capable of generating truly state-of-the-art models. Also, Claude Code is arguably the best tool in its category at the moment. They have the developer market locked in.

The problem as I see it is that neither of those things are significant moats. Both OpenAI and Google have far better branding and a much larger user base, and Google also has far lower costs due to TPUs. Claude Code is neat but in the long run will definitely be replicated.

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by blitzar on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @08:23AM (#46134202)
> Claude Code is arguably the best tool in its category at the moment. They have the developer market locked in.

I am old enough (> 1 year old) to remember when Cursor had won the developer market from the previous winner copilot.

Google or Apple should have locked down Anthropic.

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by theptip on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @11:19AM (#46136273)
> Cursor had won the developer market from the previous winner copilot

It’s a fair point, but the counter-point is that back then these tools were ide plugins you could code up in a weekend. Ie closer to a consumer app.

Now Claude Code is a somewhat mature enterprise platform with plenty of integrations that you’d need to chase too. And long-term enterprise sales contracts you’d need to sell into. Ie much more like an enterprise SAAS play.

I don’t want to push this argument too far as I think their actual competitors (eg Google) could crank out the work required in 6-12 months if they decided to move in that direction, but it does protect them from some of the frothy VC-funded upstarts that simply can’t structurally compete in multi-year enterprise SAAS.

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by rvnx on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @11:57AM (#46136850)
I'm not sure what is the advantage of Cursor ? It's just a VS Code plugin that sends queries to LLMs, why is it valued so much ? It's quite basic.

Is there some sort of unlimited plan that people take advantage of ?

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by camdenreslink on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @01:15PM (#46137916)
It works well, and had first mover advantage. It also is a fork of VSCode, not just an extension/plugin.
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by dana321 on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @03:09PM (#46139402)
Its really easy to use, you download, login and start working.

Its a step up from copy-pasting from an llm.

But claude code is on another level.

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by fragmede on Thursday December 04, 2025 @01:40AM (#46144499)
Fun fact! You can use the word "just" in front of anything to make is sound trivial. Isn't planet Earth just one of eight planets in the Solar System? What's the big deal? Isn't Google just a website? Take out the word "just" and think on it a little. In this case, maybe there's something to that?
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by pragmatic on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @08:51AM (#46134453)
If they had, they would have killed it.

Google should be stomping everyone else but it's ad addiction in search will hold it back. Innovators dilemma...

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by bionhoward on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @08:55AM (#46134494)
Cursor still wins over Claude Code because Cursor has privacy mode
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by milowata on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @08:39AM (#46134355)
The missing piece here is Anthropic is not playing the same game. Consumer branding and larger user base are concerns for OpenAI vs Google. Personal chatbot/companion/ search isn’t their focus.

Anthropic is going for the enterprise and for developers. They have scooped up more of the enterprise API market than either Google or OpenAI, and almost half the developer market. Those big, long contracts and integration into developer workflows can end up as pretty strong moats.

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by SOLAR_FIELDS on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @09:08AM (#46134637)
most of the secret sauce of Claude Code is visible to the world anyway, in the form of the minified JavaScript bundle they send. If you’re ever wondering about its inner workings you can simply ask it to deminify itself
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by SOLAR_FIELDS on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @09:09AM (#46134650)
Most of the secret sauce of Claude Code is visible to the world anyway, in the form of the minified JavaScript bundle they send. If you’re ever wondering about its inner workings you can simply ask it to deminify itself
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by gtirloni on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:29AM (#46135610)
> They have the developer market locked in

Developers will jump ship to a better tool at a blink of an eye. I wouldn't call it locked in at all. In fact, people do use Claude Code and Codex simultaneously in some cases.

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by bostik on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @01:57PM (#46138457)
Individual and startup devs yes. Enterprise devs, less so.

The latter are locked in to whatever vendor(s) their corporate entity has subscribed to. In a perverse twist, this gives the approved[tm] vendors an incentive to add backend integrations to multiple different providers so that their actual end-users can - at least in theory - choose which models to use for their work.

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by sleepybrett on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @11:32AM (#46136500)
> They have the developer market locked in.

when has anything been 'locked in', someone comes with a better tool people will switch.

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by riku_iki on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @01:51PM (#46138378)
> The optimistic view is that Anthropic is one of about four labs in the world capable of generating truly state-of-the-art models.

what about Chinese models?..

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by LatteLazy on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @07:41AM (#46133822)
1. Sounds like exactly when early investors and insiders would want to cash in and when retail investors who “have heard of the company and like the product” will buy without a lot of financial analysis.

2. A 300bn IPO can mean actually raising n 300bn by selling 100% of the company. But it could also mean seeing 1% for 3bn right? Which seems like a trivial amount for the market to absorb no?

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by blitzar on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @08:19AM (#46134173)
> A 300bn IPO ... raising 3bn

Would be so massively oversubscribed that it would become a $600bn company by the end of the day (which is a good tactic for future fund raising too).

I suspect if/when Anthropic does its next raise VCs will be buyers still not sellers.

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by trjordan on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:03AM (#46135294)
> the gap to GPT-4o, Gemini 2 ... is shrinking fast

Are you ... aware that OpenAI and Google have launched more recent models?

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by anthonypasq on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:28AM (#46135597)
almost every single AI doomer i listen to hasnt updated any of their priors in the last 2 years. these people are completely unaware of what is actually happening at the frontier or how much progress has been made.
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by nubg on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @11:11AM (#46136180)
Their ignorance is your opportunity.
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by esafak on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:40AM (#46135738)
That jumped out at me too. Like a time-traveling comment or something!
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by blovescoffee on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:47AM (#46135835)
Like "someone" who's knowledge cutoff is from a while back...
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by ctoth on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:49AM (#46135861)
This is what happens when someone copies and pastes their old comment, note the other tells.
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by brazukadev on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @11:20AM (#46136282)
Nope, more like a LLM that doesn't know about GPT 5 and Gemini 3
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by rvnx on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @11:55AM (#46136825)
Even the punctuation signs are telling this is an LLM.
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by jascha_eng on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:30AM (#46135628)
> reportedly in the low single-digit billions at best

They are expected to hit 9 billion by end of year. Meaning the valuation multiple is only 30x. Which is still steep but at that growth rate not totally unreasonable.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/04/anthropic-expects-b2b-dema...

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by andrew_lettuce on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @12:21PM (#46137194)
30 for a company that doesn't pay anything and may never pay off at all is crazy in my book, so as a best case scenario it's an obvious hard pass.
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by whp_wessel on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:44AM (#46135795)
is this comment created by AI? acc created in last 24 hours, lots of long ai-speak
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by nbardy on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @11:06AM (#46136105)
You haven’t actually looked at their fundamentals. They’re profitable serving current models including training costs and are only losing money on future RD training, but if you project future revenue growth on future generations of models you get a clear path to profitability.

They charge higher costs than OpenAI and have faster growing API demand. They have great margins compared to the rest of the industry on inference.

Sure the revenue growth could stop but it hasn’t and there is no reason to think it will.

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by disgruntledphd2 on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @11:25AM (#46136382)
> They’re profitable serving current models including training costs

I hear this a lot, do you have a good source (apart from their CEO saying it in an interview). I might have more faith in him but checks notes, it's late 2025 and AI is not writing all our code yet (amongst other mental things he's said).

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by JohnnyMarcone on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @11:51AM (#46136754)
We will all have a great source if they IPO :)
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by TSiege on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @01:28PM (#46138079)
The best I kind is this tech crunch article, which appears to be referencing an article from the information that is pay walled.

> The Information reports that Anthropic expects to generate as much as $70 billion in revenue and $17 billion in cash flow in 2028. The growth projections are fueled by rapid adoption of Anthropic’s business products, a person with knowledge of the company’s financials said.

> That said, the company expects its gross profit margin — which measures a company’s profitability after accounting for direct costs associated with producing goods and services — to reach 50% this year and 77% in 2028, up from negative 94% last year, per The Information.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/04/anthropic-expects-b2b-dema...

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by disgruntledphd2 on Thursday December 04, 2025 @06:43AM (#46146501)
So assuming that the gross margin is GAAP (which it probably isn't), then this would suggest that the costs of training are covered by inference sales this year (which is definitely good).

However, I'm still a little sceptical around this as the cost to train new models is going up super-linearly (apparently) which means that the revenue from inference needs to also go up along side this.

Interesting to think about though, thanks for the source!

Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by raldi on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @12:28PM (#46137308)
Offtopic, but how do you get the special X to show up when you type “50–100×”?
Re:Anthropic reportedly preparing for $300B IPO by variaga on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @01:14PM (#46137904)
On my phone keyboard (android) "×" is a long-press on "w"