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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by RachelF on Monday November 24, 2025 @08:52PM (#46041550)
Endurance going down is hardly a surprise given that the feature size has gone down too. The same goes for logic and DRAM memory.

I suspect that 2035 years time, hardware from 2010 will work, while that from 2020 will be less reliable.

Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by lotrjohn on Monday November 24, 2025 @10:39PM (#46042123)
Completely anecdotal, and mostly unrelated, but my NES from 1990 is still going strong. Two PS3’s that I have owned simply broke.

CRTs from 1994 and 2002 still going strong. LCD tvs from 2012 and 2022 just went kaput for no reason.

Old hardware rocks.

Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @12:16AM (#46042575)
For what it's worth my LCD monitor from 2010 is doing well. I think the power supplied died at one point but I already had a laptop supply to replace it with.
Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by dfex on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @12:42AM (#46042688)
Specifically old Japanese hardware from the 80s and 90s - this stuff is bulletproof
Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by jacquesm on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @12:59AM (#46042757)
I still have a Marantz amp from the 80's that works like new, it hasn't even been recapped.
Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by userbinator on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @01:24AM (#46042883)
LCD tvs from 2012 and 2022 just went kaput for no reason.

Most likely bad capacitors. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague may have passed, but electrolytic capacitors are still the major life-limiting component in electronics.

Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by londons_explore on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @02:29AM (#46043226)
MLCC's look ready to take over nearly all uses of electrolytics.

They still degrade with time, but in a very predictable way.

That makes it possible to build a version of your design with all capacitors '50 year aged' and check it still works.

Sadly no engineering firm I know does this, despite it being very cheap and easy to do.

Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by DoesntMatter22 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @03:06PM (#46050092)
Looks like that plague stopped in 2007? I have a 8 year old LCD that died out of nowhere as well, So I'm guessing wouldn't be affected by this. Could still be a capacitor issue though
Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by userbinator on Thursday November 27, 2025 @01:25AM (#46066326)
Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by theragra on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @01:31PM (#46049002)
I had an LCD that worked from around 2005 to 2022. It became very yellow closer to 2022 for some reason. It was Samsung PVA, I think it was model 910T.
Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by amiga-workbench on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @01:54PM (#46049300)
Its old enough to use a CFL backlight and those turn yellow with age.
Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by theragra on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @04:57PM (#46051283)
Thanks ;)
Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by Dylan16807 on Monday November 24, 2025 @09:00PM (#46041604)
As far as I'm aware flash got a bit of a size boost when it went 3D and hasn't shrunk much since then. If you use the same number of bits per cell, I don't know if I would expect 2010 and 2020 or 2025 flash to vary much in endurance.

For logic and DRAM the biggest factors are how far they're being pushed with voltage and heat, which is a thing that trends back and forth over the years. So I could see that go either way.

Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by bullen on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @01:43AM (#46042983)
I concur; in my experience ALL my 24/7 drives from 2009-2013 still work today and ALL my 2014+ are dead, started dying after 5 years, last one died 9 years later. Around 10 drives in each group. All older drives are below 100GB (SLC) all never are above 200GB (MLC). I reverted back to older drives for all my machines in 2021 after scoring 30x unused X25-E on ebay.

The only MLC I use today are Samsungs best industrial drives and they work sort of... but no promises. And SanDisc SD cards that if you buy the cheapest ones last a surprising amount of time. 32GB lasted 11-12 years for me. Now I mostly install 500GB-1TB ones (recently = only been running for 2-3 years) after installing some 200-400GB ones that work still after 7 years.

Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by Aurornis on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @09:38AM (#46046136)
> in my experience ALL my 24/7 drives from 2009-2013 still work today and ALL my 2014+ are dead,

As a counter anecdote, I have a lot of SSDs from the late 2010s that are still going strong, but I lost some early SSD drives to mysterious and unexpected failures (not near the wear-out level).

Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by bullen on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @12:03PM (#46047913)
Interesting, what kind where they? Mine where all Intel.
Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by tensility on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:53AM (#46047002)
Oh, it would be nice if it were just feature size. Over the prior 15 years, the nand industry has doubled its logical density three times over with the trick of encoding more than one bit per physical voltage well, making the error bounds on leaking wells tighter and tighter and amplifying the bit rot impact, in number of ECC corrections consumed, per leaked voltage well.
Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by robotnikman on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @11:50AM (#46047746)
I recently found a 1GB USB drive from around 2006 I used to use. I plugged in and most of the files were still readable! There were some that were corrupted and unreadable unfortunately.