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Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by markus_zhang on Monday October 20, 2025 @01:20PM (#45646506)
It has been quite a while, wondering how many 9s are dropped.

365 day * 24 * 0.0001 is roughly 8 hours, so it already lost the 99.99% status.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by rdtsc on Monday October 20, 2025 @01:44PM (#45646824)
9s don’t have to drop if you increase the time period! “We still guarantee the same 9s just over 3450 years now”.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by rvba on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:43PM (#45647557)
In a company where I worked, the tool measuring downtime was at the same server, so even if the server was down they still showed 100% up.

If the server didnt work - the tool too measure didnt work too! Genius

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by bityard on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:58PM (#45647755)
This happened to AWS too.

February 28, 2017. S3 went down and took down a good portion of AWS and the Internet in general. For almost the entire time that it was down, the AWS status page showed green because the up/down metrics were hosted on... you guessed it... S3.

https://aws.amazon.com/message/41926/

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by subpar on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:19PM (#45648786)
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by belter on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:42PM (#45649077)
Published in the same week of October ...9 years ago ...Spooky...
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hinkley on Monday October 20, 2025 @07:41PM (#45650804)
Five times is no longer a couple. You can use stronger words there.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by bapak on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @02:44AM (#45653118)
It happened a murder of times.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hinkley on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @01:38PM (#45658830)
Ha! Shall I bookmark this for the eventual wiki page?
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by casey2 on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @06:44AM (#45667198)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxP4wi4DhA0

Maybe they should start using real software instead of mathematicians' toy langs

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by Scoundreller on Monday October 20, 2025 @06:02PM (#45649996)
Have we ever figured out what “red” means? I understand they’ve only ever gone to yellow.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by kokanee on Monday October 20, 2025 @07:03PM (#45650528)
If it goes red, we aren't alive to see it
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @04:35AM (#45653723)
I'm sure we need to go to Blackwatch Plaid first.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by decimalenough on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:30PM (#45648141)
I used to work at a company where the SLA was measured as the percentage of successful requests on the server. If the load balancer (or DNS or anything else network) was dropping everything on the floor, you'd have no 500s and 100% SLA compliance.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by conductr on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:15PM (#45647965)
Similar to hosting your support ticketing system with same infra. "What problem? Nobody's complaining"
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by bigiain on Monday October 20, 2025 @06:11PM (#45650078)
I spent enough time ~15 years back to find an external monitoring service that did not run on AWS and looked like a sustainable business instead of a VC fueled acquisition target - for our belts-n-braces secondary monitoring tool since it's not smart to trust CloudWatch to be able to send notifications when it's AWS's shit that's down.

Sadly while I still use that tool a couple of jobs/companies later - I no longer recommend it because it migrated to AWS a few years back.

(For now, my out-of-AWS monitoring tool is a bunch of cron jobs running on a collections of various inexpensive vpses and my and other dev's home machines.)

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by 6031769 on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @06:28AM (#45654279)
Nagios is still a thing and you can host it wherever you like.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by bigiain on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @11:21PM (#45664604)
Interestingly, the reason I originally looked for and started using it was an unapproved "shadow IT" response to an in-house Nagios setup that was configured and managed so badly it had _way_ more downtime than any of the services I'd get shouted about at if customers noticed them down before we did...

(No disrespect to Nagios, I'm sure a competently managed installation is capable of being way better than what I had to put up with.)

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hinkley on Monday October 20, 2025 @07:40PM (#45650791)
I’ve been customer for at least four separate products where this was true.

I can’t explain why Saucelabs was the most grating one, but it was. I think it’s because they routinely experienced 100% down for 1% of customers, and we were in that one percent about twice a year. <long string of swears omitted>

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by AbstractH24 on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @10:39AM (#45656404)
If its not on the dashboard, it didn't happen
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by echelon on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:20PM (#45647261)
Common SLA windows are hour, day, week, month, quarter, and year. They're out of SLA for all of those now.

When your SLA holds within a joke SLA window, you know you goofed.

"Five nines, but you didn't say which nines. 89.9999...", etc.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by SlightlyLeftPad on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:11PM (#45648681)
These are typically calculated system-wide, so if you include all regions, technically only a fraction of customers are impacted.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by alkhimey on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:38PM (#45649012)
Customers in all regions were affected…
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by prmoustache on Monday October 20, 2025 @05:48PM (#45649851)
Indirectly yes but not directly.

Our only impact was some atlassian tools.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by captainkrtek on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:31PM (#45648157)
I shoot for 9 fives of availability.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by president_zippy on Monday October 20, 2025 @07:01PM (#45650519)
I see what you did there, mister :P
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by dare944 on Monday October 20, 2025 @11:38PM (#45652214)
5555.55555% Really stupendous availableness!!!
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hamburglar on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:42PM (#45647532)
I prefer shooting for eight eights.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by decimalenough on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:30PM (#45648148)
You mean nine fives.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by codeduck on Monday October 20, 2025 @01:25PM (#45646573)
I'm sure they'll find some way to weasel out of this.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by elchananHaas on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:32PM (#45648173)
For DynamoDB, I'm not sure but I think its covered. https://aws.amazon.com/dynamodb/sla/. "An "Error" is any Request that returns a 500 or 503 error code, as described in DynamoDB". There were tons of 5XX errors. In addition, this calculation uses percentage of successful requests, so even partial degradation counts against the SLA.

From reading the EC2 SLA I don't think this is covered. https://aws.amazon.com/compute/sla/

The reason is the SLA says "For the Instance-Level SLA, your Single EC2 Instance has no external connectivity.". Instances that were already created kept working, so this isn't covered. The SLA doesn't cover creation of new instances.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by alex_young on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:27PM (#45647350)
It's not down time, it's degradation. No outage, just degradation of a fraction[0] of the resources.

[0] Fraction is ~ 1

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by indoordin0saur on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:29PM (#45648138)
This 100% seems to be what they're saying. I have not been able to get a single Airflow task to run since 7 hours ago. Being able to query Redshift only recently came back online. Despite this all their messaging is that the downtime was limited to some brief period early this morning and things have been "coming back online". Total lie, it's been completely down for the entire business day here on the east coast.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by randomname11 on Monday October 20, 2025 @05:58PM (#45649961)
We continue to see early signs of progress!
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by Keyframe on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:32PM (#45648172)
It doesn't count. It's not downtime, it's unscheduled maintenance event.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by 8organicbits on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:12PM (#45647925)
Check the terms of your contract. The public terms often only offer partial service credit refunds, if you ask for it, via a support request.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hinkley on Monday October 20, 2025 @07:46PM (#45650834)
If you aren’t making $10 for every dollar you pay Amazon you need to look at your business model.

The refund they give you isn’t going to dent lost revenue.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by Veserv on Monday October 20, 2025 @01:41PM (#45646776)
You added a zero. There are ~8760 hours per year, so 8 hours is ~1 in 1000, 99.9%.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by markus_zhang on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:00PM (#45647030)
Oh you are right!
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by nine_k on Monday October 20, 2025 @06:01PM (#45649986)
An outage like this does not happen every year, The last big outage happened in December 2021, roughly 3 years 10 month = 46 months ago.

The duration of the outage in relation to that uptime is (8 h / 33602 h) * 100% = 0.024%, so the uptime is 99.976%, slightly worse than 99.99%, but clearly better than 99.90%.

They used to be five nines, and people used to say that it's not worth the while to prepare for an outage. With less than four nines, the perception might shift, but likely not enough to induce a mass migration to outage-resistant designs.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hinkley on Monday October 20, 2025 @07:44PM (#45650826)
Won’t the end result be people keeping more servers warm in other AWS regions which means Amazon profits from their own fuckups?
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by pinkgolem on Monday October 20, 2025 @10:29PM (#45651801)
There was a pretty big outage 2023
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hvb2 on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:02PM (#45647050)
It's a single region?

I don't think anyone would quote availability as availability in every region I'm in?

While this is their most important region, there's a lot of clients that are probably unaffected if they're not in use1.

They COULD be affected even if they don't have anything there because of the AWS services relying on it. I'm just saying that most customers that are multi region should have their east region out and are just humming along.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by reactordev on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:21PM (#45647278)
It’s THE region. All of AWS operates out of it. All other regions bow before it. Even the government is there.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by derektank on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:40PM (#45648273)
AWS GovCloud East is actually located in Ohio IIRC. Haven't had any issues with GovCloud West today; I'm pretty sure they're logically separated from the commercial cloud.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by idontwantthis on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:33PM (#45647429)
"The Cloud" is just a computer that you don't own that's located in Reston, VA.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by reactordev on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:29PM (#45648124)
Facts.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by vasco on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:09PM (#45647885)
> All of AWS operates out of it.

I don't think this is true anymore. In the early days bad enough outages in us-east-1 would bring down everything because some metadata / control pane stuff was there, I remember getting affected while in other regions, but there's been many years since this has happened.

Today for example no issues. I just avoid us-east-1 and everyone else should to. It's their worst region by far in terms of reliability because they launch all the new stuff there and are always messing it up.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by Root_Denied on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:47PM (#45648371)
A secondary problem is that a lot of the internal tools are still on US East, so likely the response work is also being impacted by the outage. Been a while since there was a true Sev1 LSE (Large Scale Event).
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by phinnaeus on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:49PM (#45649175)
What the heck? Most internal tools were in Oregon when I worked in BT pre 2021.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by Root_Denied on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @06:10PM (#45662367)
The primary ticketing system was up and down apparently, so tcorp/SIM must still have critical components there.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by reactordev on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:29PM (#45648131)
tell me it isn't true while telling me there isn't an outage across AWS because us-east-1 is down...
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by vasco on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:46PM (#45648343)
I help run quite a big operation in a different region and had zero issues. And this has happened many times before.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by reactordev on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:52PM (#45649210)
If that were true, you’d be seeing the same issues we are in us-west-1 as well. Cheers.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hinkley on Monday October 20, 2025 @07:47PM (#45650844)
The Rot Starts at the Head.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hamburglar on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:43PM (#45647558)
The regions are independent, so you measure availability for each on its own.
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by logifail on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:08PM (#45647878)
Except if they aren't quite as independent as people thought
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hamburglar on Monday October 20, 2025 @03:43PM (#45648316)
Well that’s the default pattern anyway. When I worked in cloud there were always some services that needed cross-regional dependencies for some reason or other and this was always supposed to be called out as extra risk, and usually was. But as things change in a complex system, it’s possible for long-held assumptions about independence to change and cause subtle circular dependencies that are hard to break out of. Elsewhere in this thread I saw someone mentioning being migrated to auth that had global dependencies against their will, and I groaned knowingly. Sometimes management does not accept “this is delicate and we need to think carefully” in the midst of a mandate.

I do not envy anyone working on this problem today.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by alkhimey on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:48PM (#45649159)
Global services such as STS have regional endpoints, but is it really that common to hit specific endpoint rather than use the default?
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by oxfordmale on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:01PM (#45648568)
But is is a partial outage only, so it doesn't count. If you retry a million times everything still works /s
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by abraae on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:34PM (#45648956)
I haven't done any RFP responses for a while but this question always used to make me furious. Our competitors (some of who had had major incidents in the past) claimed 99.99% availability or more, knowing they would never have to prove it, and knowing they were actually 100% until the day they weren't.

We were more honest, and it probably cost us at least once in not getting business.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by d1sxeyes on Monday October 20, 2025 @05:35PM (#45649688)
An SLA is a commitment, and an RFP is a business document, not a technical one. As an MSP, you don’t think in terms of “what’s our performance”, you think of “what’s the business value”.

If you as a customer ask for 5 9s per month, with service credit of 10% of at-risk fees for missing on a deal where my GM is 30%, I can just amortise that cost and bake it into my fee.

Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by hinkley on Monday October 20, 2025 @07:38PM (#45650774)
Where were you guys the other day when someone was calling me crazy for trying to make this same sort of argument?
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by procaryote on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @03:22AM (#45653329)
it's a matter of perspective... 9.9999% is real easy
Re:AWS Multiple Services Down in us-east-1 by dgoldstein0 on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @03:33AM (#45653385)
Only if you remember to spend your unavailability budget