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Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by ponector on Sunday September 21, 2025 @07:56PM (#45327739)
>> but they seem hellbent on 3 as per how Israeli people post here on HN and the actions of their democratically elected government.

Considering how many times Arabs started and lost wars against Israel, how many atrocities they did to Israel people it's not a surprise your #2 is not a popular option there.

Need to mention nothing can justify current levels of destruction in Gaza.

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by Aeolun on Sunday September 21, 2025 @08:08PM (#45327806)
They are quite literally doing the thing they condemn Germany for doing. It’s just industrial scale murder at this point.
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Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by RichardCA on Sunday September 21, 2025 @11:48PM (#45328923)
If you don't like the word Genocide you can call it Demographic Engineering, but the fact that it is happening is beyond debate.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15npnzpd08o

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by ipaddr on Sunday September 21, 2025 @09:19PM (#45328212)
10% of population has been killed or injured. They are in 1940 not 1944/45.
Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by _DeadFred_ on Sunday September 21, 2025 @11:36PM (#45328855)
Israel isn't even as bad as the USA was to Germany during the post WW2 occupation, let alone what the German's did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_in_occupied_Germany

1 year before the USA allowed aid agencies to feed starving children. German calorie intake 1/3 to 1/2 that of the target for Gaza.

The US firebombed cities to set them on fire.

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by woooooo on Monday September 22, 2025 @02:51AM (#45329901)
Having some difficulty establishing food infrastructure after WW2, in a situation where the whole continent is ravaged, is totally different from deliberately destroying an existing and working aid system.
Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by _DeadFred_ on Monday September 22, 2025 @10:59AM (#45334416)
The US didn't ALLOW aid in for starving children until mid 1946.

The US ORDERED extra food be destroyed.

The US intentionally used food rations as a political tool to shape/punish/reward/control the occupied population.

That isn't having difficulty getting food in due to conflict.

A working pre-war aid system is going to be different during an ACTIVE war that the aided peoples initiated, especially when the aid came via the people that they started the war with. In addition resources have been forced to be diverted by the war that Gaza's government started as that was takes up a lot of resources/funds that were previously available for other things during the prior peacetime.

Normally a government plans for food supply issues prior to starting a war with their neighbors. Especially when all food comes through said neighbor.

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by woooooo on Monday September 22, 2025 @07:54PM (#45341130)
From your wiki link, the US Army forbade sharing rations and this led to incidents like destroying 20 lbs of cocoa at a time. By early 1946 foreign aid organizations were let in.

They weren't bulldozing entire cities a year after the Nazi government collapsed. It's totally incomparable to the hate and viciousness we see from the Israelis.

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by tguvot on Monday September 22, 2025 @08:05PM (#45341230)
hamas still alive, shooting rockets at Israel and it's leadership is secure in the qatar/turkey. unlike nazi government that surrendered. this is after 80% of berlin was destroyed and hitler committed suicide
Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by woooooo on Monday September 22, 2025 @10:58PM (#45342339)
There were dead-ender Nazi partisans in Germany, too. The USA actually occupied/governed in good faith instead of just slaughtering civilians randomly.

What's the plan here? Kill 10% and the rest will start liking Israel?

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by tguvot on Monday September 22, 2025 @11:30PM (#45342544)
they are not partisans. they are government.
Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by woooooo on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @12:12AM (#45342771)
What government? Do they collect taxes and run any government services? Is there a single standing government building?

Look, eventually the dust will settle on this and it will be clear how many people Israel killed and what little it accomplished. All the current rhetorical points are going to look extremely silly.

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by tguvot on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @01:30AM (#45343107)
by that definition whatever uk, canada and australia recognized is not government either.

i am pretty sure that at end of 1944 you would have demanded allies to stop fighting and leave germany, because germany is pretty much finished, and whatever they are doing is extremely silly of not evil. battle of berlin was totally pointless, it only demolished 80% of city, killed 125k people in a couple of weeks and accomplished absolutely nothing. right ?

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by woooooo on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @03:58AM (#45344106)
No, i think what the allies did worked out pretty well. It's just not at all comparable to the currently ongoing genocide.
Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by Aeolun on Monday September 22, 2025 @05:48AM (#45331117)
> In the context of war, what Israel is doing is not outside the norm.

"More children have died in three weeks in Gaza than in the entire sum of conflicts around the world in the past four years." — Save the Children, October 2023

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by egisspegis on Monday September 22, 2025 @08:41AM (#45332603)
That is a lie. See Sudan or Myanmar, or Ukraine.
Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @10:07AM (#45360626)
The statement appears to be entirely accurate.

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/least-10-children-kill...

> In 2024 alone, at least 600 children have been killed or injured in Myanmar.

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/geneva-palais-briefing...

> As feared and as warned, the situation in Sudan has become fatal for a frighteningly large number of children. In reports UNICEF has received that cover the period from the start of the fighting until 25 April 2023, 190 children have been killed.

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/unimaginable-horrors-m...

> In total, more than 50,000 children have reportedly been killed or injured since October 2023.

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by egisspegis on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:42AM (#45361928)
Mariupol.
Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:51AM (#45362081)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol

> Ukrainian officials reported that approximately 25,000 civilians had been killed…

Even if every one of those 25k were kids, still no.

The actual report "Save the Children" cites is available at https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/4084012?ln=en&v=pdf - page three of the English report states:

> The violations verified in the greatest numbers were the killing (4,676) and maiming (7,291) of 11,967 children, the denial of humanitarian access (7,906 incidents), the recruitment and use of children (7,402) and the abduction of children (4,573). The number of children detained for actual or alleged association with armed groups including those which are currently under sanctions enacted by the Security Council, or for national security reasons, surged to 3,018, further depriving children of their rights. The highest numbers of grave violations were verified in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory (8,554), the Democratic Republic of the Congo (4,043), Somalia (2,568), Nigeria (2,436) and Haiti (2,269). The sharpest percentage increases in the number of violations were verified in Lebanon (545%), Mozambique (525%), Haiti (490%), Ethiopia (235%) and Ukraine (105%).

(A preemptive note: These are verified cases; so the real numbers will be higher. In both conflicts, verifying every or even most cases is… tough.)

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/average-least-16-child...

> At least 2,406 children have been killed or injured since the escalation of the war in Ukraine nearly 1,000 days ago, according to the latest available verified reports.

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by egisspegis on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:16PM (#45362475)
High-end estimate for Gaza (provided by hamas, a well known terrorist group): 64 000. High-end for Mariupol (provided by Uppsala Conflict Data Program): 88 000.

When comparing numbers one should also compare high-end estimates vs. high-end estimates and conservative numbers vs. conservative numbers.

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:32PM (#45362694)
That's total. Now, as the claim is about children, do the proportion of each place under 18.

Half of Gaza are minors, which is quite unusual, and very much not the case in Ukraine.

https://data.unicef.org/how-many/how-many-children-under-18-... (6,609,605 / 37,732,836 )

https://data.unicef.org/how-many/how-many-children-under-18-... (2,415,888 / 5,409,202)

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-popul... "The median age in Ukraine is 41.8 years."

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-pale... "The median age in the State of Palestine is 20.1 years."

Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by egisspegis on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:56PM (#45363026)
I will do the proportions as soon as I find more sources on what is the median age of hamas member. Maybe you have some data on that?
Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by _DeadFred_ on Monday September 22, 2025 @10:56AM (#45334369)
10,000 children were kidnapped from Ukraine and the Palestinians supporters here said they don't care/it's not worth caring about. This is political/theological, not a pure morality issue.
Re:UK, Candada and Australia formally recognize Palestinian ... by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @01:29PM (#45363434)
I care quite a bit, but my tax dollars are a) funding the deaths of Palestinian children and b) funding the fight against Russia's invasion.

I would very much like both conflicts to stop hurting kids.