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Re:Designing NotebookLM by ashwindharne on Saturday September 20, 2025 @02:40PM (#45316060)
This post has the same issues as NotebookLM for me -- overdesigned, overengineered for what at its core is a simple and valuable UX.

NotebookLM: obviously useful, but I just wanna select some files and chat w/ them or have them summarized for me. It's got low info density, way too many cards/buttons/sections/icons, and it makes the core UX really difficult for me to navigate.

This post: I wanted to know what cool thoughts he had while designing it. Instead I get some weird scrolljacking, image carousels, unnecessary visual hierarchy, cards galore, etc.

Not trying to be too negative, it's slick and all but it just gets in the way for me instead of disappearing.

Re:Designing NotebookLM by Etheryte on Saturday September 20, 2025 @03:35PM (#45316574)
Endless scrolling just to describe a three-panel layout, something that's been around since the 80s (?).
Re:Designing NotebookLM by xnx on Sunday September 21, 2025 @06:15AM (#45321462)
To be fair, a lot of graphic designers have very little knowledge/experience with computing, so they genuinely believe they're inventing obvious and common approaches.
Re:Designing NotebookLM by rallies on Saturday September 20, 2025 @02:53PM (#45316185)
Came here to say this. Although the UI is clean, it's in no way a great user experience using NotebookLM. It's just such a great product so I go back to it, but the user interface is not my favorite part.
Re:Designing NotebookLM by asjir on Saturday September 20, 2025 @03:04PM (#45316288)
I read this comment first and thought: "oh come on, how bad can it be". So then seeing this really being so bad(-ly overdesigned) was quite amusing.
Re:Designing NotebookLM by j1elo on Saturday September 20, 2025 @03:41PM (#45316644)
Fully concur with sibling comments. Maybe I set the wrong expectation for myself: that it would be a blog post with a narrative to bring the reader through some plot points and a resolution. Instead it is a bunch of schematic ideas presented without connection or progression, like a conceptual summary sketched from an interesting lecture that can be read between the lines.
Re:Designing NotebookLM by 3shv on Saturday September 20, 2025 @04:43PM (#45317311)
It's written for people to see, not to read I guess.
Re:Designing NotebookLM by John2022 on Saturday September 20, 2025 @04:57PM (#45317443)
Surely there’s a German word for this - framing a weakness as if it contributed to the success.

I’ve seen it in so many talks, especially from people working in big tech. Something is a success in spite of some aspect of it, and those responsible for that aspect go on speaking tours about their journey and what we mere mortals can learn from them.

Re:Designing NotebookLM by canadiantim on Saturday September 20, 2025 @05:13PM (#45317603)
Well, not German but there is the tale of the fox who lost its tail and framed it as a good thing
Re:Designing NotebookLM by domschl on Sunday September 21, 2025 @02:45AM (#45320609)
Try "Lobhudelei"
Re:Designing NotebookLM by peepee1982 on Sunday September 21, 2025 @03:48AM (#45320888)
I'm a native German speaker. "Lobhudelei" doesn't fit for me, as I would rather translate it as "schmoozing" or "glazing".

"Schönreden" is the closest I can think of on the spot.

Re:Designing NotebookLM by troupo on Saturday September 20, 2025 @05:16PM (#45317629)
I mean, this is from a company that judges its designs for "feeling of rebelliousness" and "courage" [1]

The entire text is rationalizing post-factum for a promotion package.

[1] In case you missed it https://design.google/library/expressive-material-design-goo...

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We found a 32% increase in subculture perception, which indicates that expressive design makes a brand feel more relevant and “in-the-know.” We also saw a 34% boost in modernity, making a brand feel fresh and forward-thinking. On top of that, there was a 30% jump in rebelliousness, suggesting that expressive design positions a brand as bold, innovative, and willing to break from convention.

--- end quote ---

Re:Designing NotebookLM by epolanski on Saturday September 20, 2025 @05:26PM (#45317703)
Really disliked the author's tone: "me, me, me, me, me, me. Also somebody promote me."

All this paragraphs telling us what a great job he's done and this charlatan's product (with great potential)...doesn't even save your chats.

So you start discussing about something in your notes, come back and...the messages are gone.

But sure come tell me what a genius you are with your 3 column layout.

Charlatans, and those people become multi millionaires with those projects and such a crap work.

Re:Designing NotebookLM by typpilol on Saturday September 20, 2025 @08:31PM (#45318914)
Lmao this is my feeling as well.

Why is a 3 panel layout new?

Isn't vscode essentially that?

Re:Designing NotebookLM by doganugurlu on Saturday September 20, 2025 @11:37PM (#45319828)
I can’t even remember an IDE that doesn’t have the 3 panel layout.

Eclipse, xcode, PyCharm, even Visual Studio from way back when…

Re:Designing NotebookLM by ml-anon on Sunday September 21, 2025 @02:30AM (#45320541)
Literally the only thing people cared about was Audio Overviews. NotebookLM had launched months earlier without that feature and was immediately ignored. The reason people liked audio overviews was because the voice model was amazing. This guy and the labs team had nothing to do with that. It was developed by a research team at Google Research/GDM who got maybe 1% of the credit: https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/pushing-the-frontiers-... It’s amazing how these people still insist on denying the massive contribution the audio model made, which is apparent by the lack of credits or acknowledgements to the team anywhere public despite these self aggrandizing blogs and postcast appearances.
Re:Designing NotebookLM by navigate8310 on Sunday September 21, 2025 @03:59AM (#45320939)
And the, "I ran off paper and the final design was the one I created on a napkin", was just too cliche and overly dramatic.
Re:Designing NotebookLM by xnx on Sunday September 21, 2025 @06:16AM (#45321465)
The napkin definitely feels like a retcon
Re:Designing NotebookLM by jayspiel on Saturday September 20, 2025 @06:27PM (#45318172)
Not too negative, I really appreciate this perspective and agree with some of what you said.

IMO if you wanted to simply talk to a file or two Gemini, ChatGPT, and Claude are great for that.

The goal of this experimental product was to think creatively around what a true source grounded tool could be. (Obviously while building to best support the user needs). Our team put in immense work to move quickly while trying to be creative while keeping it simple. I have no doubt the product will continue to evolve and improve based on continued feedback like this!

Re: my website, I personally digest things better visually. I had hoped the additional visual elements would explain my decision making process to others as well.

Re:Designing NotebookLM by jorgemendes on Saturday September 20, 2025 @06:38PM (#45318234)
Thank you for your work. NotebookLM has been invaluable for my learning experience. With the summaries, the mind maps, the multi-source synthesis and dialogue with the material, it adjusts pretty well to my learning style.
Re:Designing NotebookLM by dandelionv1bes on Sunday September 21, 2025 @04:22AM (#45321007)
Agreed. NotebookLM is one of my most used tools for my research work. I’m able to give the audio overview to friends and family who don’t want to read a paper but am interested in what I’m doing. And the “live” talk allows me to interrogate my own work and identify gaps where I haven’t explained something well.
Re:Designing NotebookLM by troupo on Sunday September 21, 2025 @05:46AM (#45321354)
Your blog post shows that more effort and creativity was spent on "brand identity" than on "everyone is doing column layouts with chat in the middle and we'll just make the rest an indistinguishable mess of links on par with literally every single Google product".
Re:Designing NotebookLM by mark_l_watson on Sunday September 21, 2025 @12:56PM (#45324484)
I only use NotebookLM a few times a month when I have many input sources I want to sift through. Very valuable but most appropriate for longer work/study sessions.
Re:Designing NotebookLM by muragekibicho on Sunday September 21, 2025 @06:06AM (#45321432)
ngl, i stole his website design. this is the content i live for