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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by noosphr on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:32PM (#45203231)
It was political violence when Trump was shot on stage too.

I imagine that a lot of the political thuggarry we're seeing today is a direct result of him coming within an inch of having his brains blown out. No one comes that close to death without being fundamentally changed.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by johnmaguire on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:41PM (#45203357)
> I imagine that a lot of the political thuggarry we're seeing today is a direct result of him coming within an inch of having his brains blown out. No one comes that close to death without being fundamentally changed.

I haven't noticed a fundamental change.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by noosphr on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:46PM (#45203431)
If you haven't noticed a difference between his first and second terms may I suggest you go for a vacation outside the US and try coming back in? For bonus points make a mistake on your forms.

US customs are now _worse_ than they were a month after 9/11 and this time it's not just the ones at airports.

I know plenty of people who will be giving NeurIPS a miss _on the advice of their governments_. This _did not_ happen during his first term.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by jandrewrogers on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @05:14PM (#45203839)
> US customs are now _worse_ than they were a month after 9/11

You mean that time when millions of American citizens were placed on the No Fly List with no recourse essentially at random? You can't be serious. After 9/11 was far worse.

I've been in and out of the US several times this year through several ports of entry and it has been hassle-free so far. They don't even ask me questions, they just wave me through.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by mandeepj on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @05:07PM (#45203735)
> This _did not_ happen during his first term.

He and his enablers played that argument during his 2024 campaign as well, but everyone is missing a crucial aspect of it. During his first term, he was surrounded by a large number of career administration staff, who put guardrails around him. This time it's all 'Yes men' and his well-wishers. Notably, no one from the previous admin staff had endorsed him for 2024. That should have given a clue to people. But, nope.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/former-trump-officials...

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by logifail on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @05:03PM (#45203680)
> US customs are now _worse_ than they were a month after 9/11 and this time it's not just the ones at airports

Apologies, but "citation needed"?

(As a non-US citizen) I flew into JFK earlier this year and did my (first) Global Entry interview. It was the shortest and most polite immigration interview I've ever had anywhere, and I've had a few.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by jakeydus on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @06:11PM (#45204702)
To be fair global entry is the greased skids of US customs. It's meant to be more efficient.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by johnmaguire on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:59PM (#45203618)
Yes, I was referring to Trump, not the state of the country. Republicans have full control this time around, but the goals and rhetoric have not changed. Trump was not "radicalized."
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by simonh on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @05:27PM (#45204034)
The differences we’re seeing were all planned years in advance. This time around Trump had the time and experience to build his own team instead of taking the team the Republican establishment handed him. As for policies, it’s all in Agenda 47, his manifesto, including universal and reciprocal tariffs, ending birthright citizenship, immigration crackdowns, he laid out exactly what he was going to do back in 2023.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by lazyasciiart on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:52PM (#45203506)
The country may have fundamentally changed, but I suspect that comment was about Trump. Everyone knew they were planning to destroy the place if he got a second term, they wrote a book explaining it.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by Hikikomori on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @06:37PM (#45205037)
Has nothing to do with trump being shot as project2025 has been planned for many years.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by anigbrowl on Thursday September 11, 2025 @07:59PM (#45217337)
Oh come on, he was talking about 'I am your justice...I am your retribution' back in 2023. https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/former-pres-trump-...

His entire schtick, since the day he announced his campaign in 2015, has been based around grievance politics.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by dfxm12 on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @05:01PM (#45203658)
If you say it is political violence, I feel it is important to note, it was by a recently registered Republican.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by iugtmkbdfil834 on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @05:12PM (#45203812)
Heh. You know. I don't want to be too flippant, but I will respond to this, because it raises an interesting point.

I would like to hope that you recognize that registration of political affiliation is just one data point. Spring it does not make. You know how I got registered as a republican? I got incorrectly registered as one during judge election volunteering.

I am not saying it means nothing. What I am saying is: some nuance is helpful in conversations like this.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by dfxm12 on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @06:12PM (#45204716)
PA has closed primaries though, so he likely would have fixed it if it was a mistake. In any case, if you're looking for nuance, there's not a lot of it in political violence in the US.

Ruby Ridge, Waco, Timothy McVeigh, Jim Adkisson, Dylan Roof, the Tree of Life shooting, J6, the 2022 Buffalo shooter, Jacksonville 2023, Allen, TX 2023, etc.

Nearly all political violence in the US is committed by people espousing right wing ideology, so if it walks and talks like a duck, is telling you it's a duck...

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by mothballed on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:41PM (#45203356)
The moment trump was shot (or whatever ricocheted and hit his face) and the picture was taken of him with the flag, I knew he had the election won. There was just no way for an opponent to top that photo op.

Crookes basically handed the election to Trump.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by koolba on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:51PM (#45203501)
> There was just no way for an opponent to top that photo op.

Rising up with your fist clenched right after you were shot isn't something you train for either. That's a natural reaction from instinct.

It's morbid curiosity to analyze it, but I don't think it would have had the same net effect if it was Harris.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:54PM (#45203529)
Trump has spent decades in practical training to be media savvy.
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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by foobarchu on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @05:22PM (#45203948)
There's no way Trump has the chutzpah to intentionally get shot and hit, no matter how many guarantees he has that it won't be fatal or long-term damaging.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by lp0_on_fire on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @08:42PM (#45206242)
“Photo op”.

A man was killed that day.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by mothballed on Thursday September 11, 2025 @12:20AM (#45207745)
I don't give a single fuck about the wellbeing of Crookes, which might be immoral, but I can tell you from the perspective of usefulness of the photo op, it doesn't appear your concern reached a position of influence.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by lp0_on_fire on Thursday September 11, 2025 @01:35AM (#45208179)
I'm referring to the man sitting behind Trump who was killed in front of his wife and kid you abject fool.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by mothballed on Thursday September 11, 2025 @01:59AM (#45208308)
How does that make it not a photo op? And why the hell didn't you just say who you were referring to since multiple died, rather than just saying ' a man' and then degrading yourself to name calling when I took a wrong guess at who you were referring to?

Please touch grass. I didnt pick for the guy to die, nor did I want this iconic photo op. I don't understand your beef with me and your little guessing game name-calling trap but I hope your day gets better.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by aredox on Friday September 12, 2025 @05:13AM (#45220235)
Why are you reading and commenting on a purely political topic? I thought you were tired of it?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45041957

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by Braxton1980 on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:54PM (#45203528)
He didn't seem fundamentally changed though. In fact he used it as a political prop.